Kail Lowry debuted her latest podcast this week, while also addressing fans who are upset about the way Kail handled the end of her previous podcast, Baby Mamas No Drama, which she used to co-host with Vee Torres, whom she has since fallen out with.
As The Ashley previously reported, the former Teen Mom 2 star announced last week that her podcast with Vee was ending. Kail and Vee— who is the wife of Kail’s first baby daddy Jo Rivera— had seemingly been feuding for a while before coming to the decision to end their joint podcast. Just one day after announcing the end of Baby Mamas No Drama, Kail revealed that would be filling its spot with a new podcast— Karma & Chaos— which she’d be hosting with her formerly estranged friend Becky Hayter.
Fans of Baby Mamas (and Vee) took particular offense to the way Kail handled the situation, loudly criticizing her online for taking the official Baby Mamas No Drama Facebook group and changing its name to the Karma & Chaos Podcast Facebook Group, essentially taking ownership of the entire fanbase that Vee and Kail had grown together.
On the first episode of Karma & Chaos, which was released on Tuesday, Kail explained that she did not launch her new podcast so quickly to spite Vee, despite how it looked to some Baby Mamas fans.
“I hope that now you understand that this was not a podcast to step on anyone’s toes,” Kail said. “Or to smack in Vee’s face, that’s not what this was about at all. So, I hope that you guys understand that.”
Kail claimed that she rushed to begin her podcast with Becky so that she could fulfill “contractual obligations” she had already committed to. (She did not go into further detail about what those obligations actually required, though.)
“Becky and I originally were not starting this podcast until 2025,” Kail said. “So, just to clarify that whole part of this entire thing. I was personally faced with contractual obligations that still needed to be fulfilled, so Becky and I basically jumped right into it, instead of starting in 2025. We had to start in two weeks, so we had to quickly come up with the name.”
Becky— who appeared on many episodes of ‘Teen Mom 2’ before she and Kail stopped talking five years ago — asked Vee’s fans to give her a chance.
“I know there’s a lot of hesitation about me coming in, I know there is people upset,” Becky said. “You guys are going to mourn this loss [of Vee and their podcast] in some capacity, and we had no ill intentions of just coming in and kind of replacing it, so I just want to make sure people understand that your feelings are so validated in feeling some type of discomfort in change and discomfort in the chaos of how this all unfolded.”
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On Monday, the official Facebook page for Baby Mamas No Drama announced to its followers that it would be converted to a fanpage for Kail and Becky’s new podcast. The news did not go over well with fans, many of whom voiced their anger that Kail took over the page, which was built by both her and Vee.
“Don’t you realize fans need a moment to grieve the end of such an impactful show,” one person wrote. “Most of us are also in shock that Kail is just jumping in with someone that she wasn’t talking to a couple months ago. Jeeze.”
“Vee helped create this and to slap another name on it and benefit off of that is just tacky,” another person commented.
In the comment section of the post, Kail responded to a fan who called her decision “tacky.” She stated that Vee agreed to give Kail everything related to the podcast.
“This was a business decision that we made when we decided to end the podcast,” Kail wrote. “Vee signed everything over and wanted everything out of her name and likeness.”
In her original announcement, Kail stated that she and Vee were never “friends” but actually just co-hosts and co-parents. In the comment section of the new post, Kail defended her statement.
“It seems so sneaky and it so sad how Kail kept saying her and vee aren’t friends,” one person wrote. “This makes me wonder how true it is that all her friends leave her when she just left Vee like that.”
“These were conversations we were having off the podcast,” Kail responded. “I understand why others are shocked, but this wasn’t news to Vee. We had been saying this for a long time.”
“Changing the name on here is a business decision & if anyone decides not to support that, I understand and you’re more than welcome to follow Vee over [over on her other podcast] Vibin & Kinda Thrivin,” Kail added.
New episodes of the Karma & Chaos podcast will be available every Tuesday.
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If you’re having fallouts with people in your life when your grown, and it’s multiple people, over and over, you might need to reevaluate your life, bc you’re probably the problem.
Well she can always ask another one of her baby daddy’s to do the podcast with her if this one doesn’t work out. She really thinks she is all that and a bag of chips, when in reality she is nothing more than a girl that likes to have babies by multiple men then make money because of all of kids. I feel bad for her kids, because they all have different fathers. Hopefully when they are old enough to understand, it is not okay to just lay around and have all those baby daddy’s like their mom.
Most folks can’t be friends with someone they’ve had sex with, ESPECIALLY not Kailyn Lowry. 😂😂 Her and Becky DEFINITELY were more than friends. So she married Elijah just to turn around and start back up with Becky. My thoughts that kail was doing better are down the drain.
Becky is even more annoying than Kail. The convo they had on Kaila
Podcast was painful. After a couple of minutes I couldn’t do it. Becky says “like” every other weird. She definitely doesn’t have the vocabulary for podcasting.
I like Vee, don’t get me wrong…but I’d rather listen to “like” every other word as opposed to “yo” every other word like Vee.
1. Is Becky’s last name pronounced like “hater”?
2. I’m calling it now, Kail is going to cheat on Elijah with Becky.
3. What could Kail possibly have to talk about to fill multiple weekly podcasts?
4. I don’t see how Vee worked with her for as long as she did.
Yes her last name Hayter is pronounced hater…and i agree, I TOTALLY see Kail cheating on Elijah with Becky…Kail cheated on Javi with a girl named Dominique (I believe that was her name)…her, Becky and Dom jokes that they should start a podcast called “Two and a Half Lesbians”
I hope not, Becky just got married in July after being with her partner, Leah, for years. And they are going through a difficult journey with IVF. Becky has a surprisingly sleek and professional website, but I don’t know much actual substance it contains. It seems like she is a marketing consultant mostly targeted to influencers or people trying to build a brand. It makes sense that would team up with Kail, it really does seem like the best to further her career.
OMG YES! I totally see her cheating on Elijah with Becky! Didn’t they have a sort of fling in the past? Or am I thinking of someone else?
No idea, but it seems like a Kail thing to do. Current baby daddy doesn’t provide much drama and you know she thrives on it. Now that she’s had her tubes tied and can’t use a man to get pregnant, it would make sense that she’d have a lesbian affair.
Did anyone watch the Instagram video in the article? Is it just me or is Becky feeling herself up?
She lied for 2 YEARS about being pregnant, and she acts like she’s smarter than us. Girl bye
Poor Ethan. Or what ever the last baby daddy’s name is.
OMG hahahaha Stop it!
First of all, it’s Elijah not Ethan.
And second of all, why do you say “Poor …”, last I checked it takes two to tango and he is a willing participant…he knew EXACTLY what he was getting himself into…or at least he will WHEN she two-times him
Yes, because I’m going to sit here and happily eat the lines of bullshit that Kail feeds us, knowing she’s the biggest fucking liar next to Juhnelle.
Grand opening.
Grand closing.
I bet the rating will go down without Vee. God Bless America!!
We love you, Vee, stay strong! And stay away from that filthy, Nast.y hoe Kail
“personally faced with contractual obligations”
You OWN the podcast network Kail!!!
She is probably talking about ad contracts she had to fulfill by a certain date.