The first part of the Teen Mom OG season finale Reunion aired on Monday night and things got downright explosive when Maci Bookout went head-to-head with her ex Ryan Edwards‘ new wife, Mackenzie Standifer!
The cat claws came out when the ladies sat down with Dr. Drew Pinsky to discuss Ryan’s substance abuse issues. Mackenzie was especially upset at Maci for discussing Ryan’s issues on ‘Teen Mom OG’ and acting concerned for his health while the cameras rolled although she said nothing to Mackenzie or Ryan’s family regarding the issue.
During the segment, Mackenzie claimed that she only found out about Ryan’s drug use two days before he left for rehab in early June (which would have been one day before she married Ryan). She was upset that Maci claimed to have known that Ryan was using for months, but said nothing to anyone except the ‘Teen Mom’ film crews.
Mackenzie used her time on stage to read a scathing letter she wrote to Maci.
“Maci, you told me to my face, merely days after I had informed you about Ryan seeking help, that you had known about his problem since November,” Mackenzie read. “That was 186 days; 400,464 hours; and 267,840 minutes that he could’ve died, and still, you said nothing. You let everyone know that you feared for his life, while concurrently exploiting Ryan and his addiction on the show.
“Instead of solving the problem, or making an effort to solve it, you decided to humiliate Ryan, humiliate myself and his entire family, but more importantly, you’ve humiliated our children for years to come,” Mackenzie added.
Maci defended herself, stating that Ryan exploited and enabled himself, but Mackenzie wasn’t having it.
“Helping Ryan doesn’t mean talking about all of his problems on national television,” Mackenzie told Maci. “It means being supporting, not kicking someone when they’re down, and respecting the privacy that we all so graciously deserve.”
Maci basically told Mackenzie that if she longed for privacy, signing up to be on a television show was a bad idea. (Mackenzie has stated in the past that she very much regrets agreeing to be on ‘Teen Mom OG.’)
“And, I didn’t exploit you, your husband did,” Maci added.
Dr. Drew busted out a “can’t we all just get along?” message to the ladies, but Maci stated that Mackenzie’s letter had further hurt their already strained relationship.
“You just went back there with that bulls**t letter,” Maci told Mackenzie.
‘Teen Mom OG’ fans have suspected for years that Ryan was using some sort of substance(s), due to his ever-bulging eyes, frequent naps and general spacey demeanor. However, Ryan’s drug use was never discussed on ‘Teen Mom OG’ until the most-recent season. Ryan’s parents, Jen and Larry Edwards, as well as Mackenzie and even some of the ‘Teen Mom’ producers, had either declined to discuss Ryan’s drug use, or downright denied it.
Ryan spent less than a month in rehab, and is now back home with Mackenzie in Tennessee.
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Maci needs to get over Ryan and move on with her husband and the children they have together. I was surprised that she didn’t tell Mackenzie that Ryan has a drug addiction but she was already looking for ways how to help him.
He. Has. A. Wife.
She doesn’t need to help Ryan. If I were her I would look after my marriage that is falling apart.
????. I would love to see what about that or any segment since they started filming og, that Maci “wasn’t over Ryan”. You’re a ?
Just a few notes from someone who LEGALLY and with legitimate reason has taken both opiates and benzodiazapines;
Rhine was not nodding off from xanex.
When I was first diagnosed with a severe chronic pain condition – I was given long action opiates with immediate release meds for when the long acting wasn’t enough. (I have Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome which causes cancer like pain body – wide. ) when I was first adjusting to the medication in a medical setting, I would occasionally nod off just like Rhine was. You don’t feel it coming on, you often snap back to reality and want to pretend you’re fine and even though I had NOTHING to hide or be embarrassed about – I found myself getting combative, insisting I wasn’t nodding out. My husband good naturedly teases me about it to this day.
When I was put on xanex because multiple muscle relaxers werent working for my severe spasms (think seizures but you’re totally mentally fine) – they tried xanex. In a very low dose, I acted completely fine but had complete amnesia after the fact. That’s apparently very common.
In higher doses, I was completely unable to keep my eyes open. There would be no trying to drive, no pretending I could get ready for a wedding, no remaining upright. I was flat out unable to stay conscious. You don’t battle between conscious and out… You’re just out.
When I was a police officer – back before I got sick from this genetic condition (it was triggered by a pregnancy), I saw a ton of addict behavior and I can attest that my experience as an ill person later taking the medications I often saw abused- that was also the case. People on xanex were completely slow, drowsy, out of it… There was no snapping back into reality. But with heroin or opiate pills… Absolutely. People would fluctuate for HOURS between out of it and wide awake.
I firmly believe Rhine previously had a pill problem and it’s graduated to shooting up. After all… Pills are becoming more scarce. I can tell you first hand as a person who medically NEEDS these medications to function, people like him are making our lives hell. I’m drug tested often twice a month just to remain on prescriptions that haven’t changed in years, and I’ve never abused or misused any substance ever.
Hmm. If someone you live with has a drug addiction and you were absolutely clueless about it, maybe you should get to know someone a little better before you freakin’ marry them! ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU WILL BE SUBJECTING YOUR CHILD to this person. My Lord!
Mackenzie, you knew damn well he had a problem! You asked him (on air) if he took Xanax AGAIN!! Again means you know he did it previously. You kept slugging him in the arm when he was driving. You did that to keep him awake. You slugged him instead of saying “pull over, you are not ok to drive”. Nope.
Fugging moron. You’re 20, on your 2nd marriage and your 2nd husband is a drug addict.
He was intoxicated when he said “I do”! How embarrassing for you.
But that’s no one’s fault but your own.
Stop your damn whining. You are making yourself come off as a fool.
Does the Ashley know the custody situation with her son? He wasn’t at her wedding and I heard that the court changed the child support so that now Mackenzie has to pay her ex. I’ve never heard of a non custodial parent receiving child support
The only one who should be humiliated is the girl who rented a wedding gown to race down to the side of the road and marry a man who could barely keep his eyes open.
I dislike Ryan, like, 10 times over. However, marrying someone under the influence of drugs like he was, while he was high at the time.. that is abusive, not healthy, co-dependent and he needs to leave her or he’ll never get his life together. If her standards were that low, she won’t set the bar high for either of them. She’ll want him to stay vulnerable so that she can stay with him. I’m sure she’s terrified that if he gets sober he’ll leave her. I’ve seen this IRL multiple times.
OMG, is she for real with those “calculations”?! Does she think working out minutes makes her sound smart??
I am by no means a fan of Maci’s but how in the hell is she getting the blame for all of this? It has nothing to do with her! Ryan’s drug habit was up to Mackenzie, his parents, and ummm…RYAN so sort out, not Maci!
Mackenzie must be on drugs a well….wtf was that letter? Like how the fuck is it Ryan’s ex’s responsibility to get him help?? She’s not even with him anymore and has 3 kids to take of.
Also how the hell is Mackenzie only 21 but already looks fucking 30? Ew
That’s rich, Mack. Strangers who watch this show have known for years, but you and his family just denied and ignored the fact he has a problem?
Maci was definitely in one of those “damned if I do” “damned if I don’t” scenarios. Even if she had reached out to Mack before all of this “came out” (lol good one Mack for playing dumb) Mack would have told Maci to f*ck off and Maci still would have been the bad guy. She already tried to have conversations with Mack and she turned right around and bad mouthed Maci with Jen, Larry and Ryan. Mack and Jen need to stop with the nonsense and stop “protecting” Ryan because it will only end up killing him in the long run. Maci was not exploiting Ryan, she is the mother of his son and she had every right to discuss her feelings on the situation. Ryan alone put everyone in this mess, he is the addict, he made the choice. They should be angry with him not the whole world. Mack has no one to blame for being embarrassed except her husband and herself for handling the situation so poorly.
Change of topic here…what is going on with Mackenzie’s outfit?
I didn’t notice her outfit/dress before, but I zoomed in on the snap here; my first instinct is “holy shit I pull on my dress/skirt if it’s like 6 inches longer than that” but that’s just me (not a prude, btw. just awkward ?)
So yeah, idk what she’s wearing, and I don’t agree w the haters saying she looks twice her age. She’s pretty. Maybe she doesn’t look 21 or however young she is…but some people don’t look as young OR aaa old, as they are. I’ve seen many pretty women, who were much younger than I would have guessed; not based on wrinkles or whatever; they just had a mature look or sharply defined features, or what the f ever
Maybe she is doing a roll play with Ryan, flirty texts about missing skirt a la Bridget Jones.
You woukd think she would have learned her lesson about short dresses when she flashed the entire TM viewing adience her granny panties diring Maci’s wedding, but watever.
I really respect the fact that Maci kept her cool and didn’t completely lose her temper on Mackenzie (like I definitely would have done confronted with the same level of idiocy), but I think there were several salient points she needed to tell this little person that she didn’t get across.
#1. Mackenzie very obviously knew he was on drugs when he almost passed out and crashed the car on the way to their “wedding.” Not only did she mention a drug BY NAME on camera, but she also turned the cameras off. Why do that if you’re an oblivious moron, Mackenzie?
#2. People who watch 5 minute clips of Ryan’s life could tell he was on hard drugs (Maci even mentioned recognizing that he was on drugs by watching the show), but we are expected to believe this complete fabrication that Mackenzie was just a stupid little girl that couldn’t piece together that his behavior was abnormal? I don’t buy it. Not only do I not buy that she didn’t know he was on drugs, I don’t buy that she didn’t know he was on heroin or some other injectable. Are we to believe she married someone and has never seen the crease in his arm? Am I to assume a 20 year old person has never heard of track marks? You know what, no. I thought at one point maybe she just thought he was on xanax, but then I realized to believe that then I must also believe she’s never seen his bare arms and uh…it takes a little too much imagination to believe that scenario. I think she’s 100% a manipulator, gold digger, fame whore that wanted to try to turn the tables on Maci but was too stupid to figure out how to do it convincingly. Also, I think she and Jen are in cahoots to try to say Maci “humiliated” them because they refuse to believe the truth which is that everyone that watched the show knew he was a druggie already and respected Maci for not continuing to enable by concealing.
#3. I feel like the outcome of this situation is not going to be good for Ryan. He has shown a tendency not to give AF about anyone in the past, and I think now will be no different. Kicking an opiate addiction is supposed to be one of the hardest things you can do, and he’s got 2 goons (Jen and Mackenzie) that can’t admit when he makes a mistake, never holds him accountable, blames legitimate bystanders for not “informing” them of things going on with someone they supposedly LIVE WITH…I just don’t see it ending well. Ryan needs someone to hold him accountable not more enabling and idiotic rambling nonsense to try to conceal his culpability in the decisions he has made.
#4. This girl needs to STOP acting like Maci was exploiting Ryan…if she is too stupid to understand that Ryan’s decisions affect Maci because they have a child together, then maybe she is too stupid to marry someone that already has a child with someone else. Ryan’s decisions are Maci’s storyline because they affect HER son. I would have told this person to step the F back, and it’s stunning to me that Maci didn’t go IN on her.
I honestly think it’s pretty pathetic that this 40 year old looking person was so desperate to trap Ryan in a marriage that she literally married a strung out junkie on national TV but maybe that point is a little too mean for Maci to say. 😉 The rest though I really think needed to be said.
I too was disappointed Maci didn’t say all those things and more. My only guess is she was taken aback by this stupid letter (I’m just picturing Mackenzie googling how many minutes and hours are in 186 days) and didn’t have time to process a good response. I felt like screaming at Mackenzie through the TV. She’s well aware that the producers direct a lot of the on-screen conversations, and also exactly what you said – Maci has every right to talk about whatever the fuck she wants to do with Ryan as he is the father of her child and she doesn’t want to see him die or endanger Bentley in any way. I’d say exploiting someone could be defined as MARRYING THEM WHILE THEY’RE ON DRUGS AND ALMOST KILLING YOU & OTHERS IN A CAR CRASH.
UHHHHHHHHHHH. Someone slap this girl.
Well said!!
I honestly think that’s why Mackenzie and Jen are actually mad at Maci. The poor, woe is me, “You should have told me” crap is all clearly nonsense.
The real reason they’re coming for her is they seem to feel like she “exploited” Ryan by revealing it on the show. They both seem to have forgotten all about the common denominator caught in the middle of this s*** show, which is Bentley. In what world do these 2 live in that they think Bentley’s father’s opiate addiction doesn’t affect Maci? I can’t begin to fathom the logic because it would be an actual storyline in anyone’s life. It’s a bizarre reality they’ve created for themselves.
What really annoyed me is that they never brought up the wedding. How can she act like this is a real marriage when he was too messed up to “rethink” anything? She is so hateful for trying to blame Maci.
1. Macy isn’t responsible for anything he does
2. She said that she helped him get into rehab before so everyone knew he was an addict then and should know the signs.
3. Maci talked to Ma-con- zie about something simple like Bentley not wanting to go to his grandparents house and she blabbed to everyone. How do you think something as big as this would turn out?
4. Mackenzie is a bigger con artist than Matt at this point. How do you think Dr drew would have acted if Matt had married Amber while she was high as a kite?
5. I think MTV should show what really happens when someone is addicted and how hard it is to stop. The show obviously isn t about safe sex anymore, but it could really help people if they were honest about the drugs instead of covering for them. Like Amber said, it’s important to just be honest about the drugs and mental illness because secrets and shame are toxic. Step it up, MTV.
#5 is spot on. I think the driving scene with Ryan was one of the best things they’ve done since the show aired, for the simple reason that MANY viewers are in High school/college and many are experimenting with drugs. Seeing that incredibly scary and disturbing footage is exactly what needs to be happening right now. The opiate epidemic in this country is at an all-time high. In NY, they now stock Narcon in elementary schools. SERIOUSLY.
This is coming from a woman who would rather turn off cameras in a car to hide her husbands addiction and risk the lives of every innocent driver and passenger on the road than tell him to pull over. If she doesn’t care about the people she participated in endangering why does she think she’s earned a right to accuse Maci of not caring about others?
Does anyone know what The Ashley was talking about when she said Ryan spent less than 30 days in rehab? I missed it when I first read the article but am confused…wasn’t it reported as being a 30 day program? How long was he even there for?
Sarah I honestly think he was there less than two weeks he checked himself out i’ve never heard of a rehab center being less than two weeks
Wow seriously? How/why do you think that? If that is true, his family is doing him a HUGE disservice by covering it up. That is their only child and he honestly deserves better than that. You can’t force anyone to get help who doesn’t want it, but if you keep covering up the problem for him he will never find a reason to want it. They think they are helping Ryan, but heir actions are literally killing him. Very very sad.
I completely agree with you it is tremendously sad but some people think they’re reputation needs to be protected more than addressing mental or physical health anyway if you want to check it out yourself I got it from the grace report on YouTube if you decide to Google it it’s under the title see you in court
I watched it and, considering that Ashley made it a point to say he spent LESS THAN 30 days in rehab, I believe it. Her stories are always accurate or make a point to state specifically when she is not 100% sure of something. And I am certain Maci would seek to terminate Ryan’s rights the second she found out about that. Poor Maci. It seems like it’s now HER job to force Ryan into hitting rock bottom by removing Bentley from the equation. Good luck getting his rights legalized whilst simultaneously explaining his heroin addiction and inability to spend even two WEEKS at a treatment facility.
I’m sorry Mack, you might think we are distracted by that sugar coated pretty looking cake you want us to eat. In reality, our eyes are apparently a whole lot better than yours, we see the cake is fake, stale and poorly made.
You might be bitter at Maci cause your baby daddy now knows but Maci seems to care more about Ryan’s well being and the safety of everyone than you do and she stepped in the only way she knew would work.
NOPE! With the experience I have in situations such as this, Miss Mac appears to be one of the enablers/blamers. Mackenzie. Dear. Stop it. Or you will kill your husband yourself. What a trashy person. Jealousy is a bitch.
Ok, a majority of us know that you do not get the reaction from Xanax that Ryan was exhibiting while he was driving. A majority of us know that. Some are oblivious to what drugs do to people. I mean people know drugs can fuck you up but diffeeent drugs do different things. Let’s play devils advocate and say Mack is one of those who are oblivious to what drugs do. Ryan may have told her in the past that when he is in that fucked up state it is because he took a Xanax (possibly to relax…) and she just assumed that because he was in that state again that he took Xanax again. Maybe afterwards is when it finally came out that Xanax wasn’t his drug of choice. I really don’t know. There were never really signs of her knowing or suspecting that he was on drugs in prior episodes. Either way I don’t believe much she says.
It doesn’t even matter if she knew what he was on or not (which she totally knew it wasn’t fucking Xanax), whatever it was he was FUCKED UP on it and had an obvious problem that’s been going on for a long time. Bitch is a LIAR!
I totally see your point…when I was 20 years old I could definitely see myself believeing that, if it was an isolated incident. But she HAD to have noticed the marks on him…she had to have seen the things being said about him and been worried. She had to have done some research on the subject and put two and two together. Denial is a powerful thing when you’re young, ignorant and want to believe the best in the person you love. But I think there is no way she didn’t know deep down what was going on. Maybe it wasn’t confirmed to her until recently, but no one in their right mind is going to believe that she has zero idea about any of this.
I have only watched about a minute of Ryan slobbering on himself but what I saw could def come from Xanax….I’ve seen my uncle sit and nod off the same exact way. He preferred eating a handful for breakfast so the amount makes a huge difference of course.
But I totally agree with everything…they absolutely knew he had something going on.
There is no excuse for not knowing Ryan was on drugs. We’ve literally known for years after just watching the show. If Mackenzie didn’t know I have to wonder how much time she actually spent with him.
Does MTV provide the wardrobe for the reunion shows, or do the cast members bring their own outfits? If Mackenzie was dressed by a stylist, then there’s actually someone who hates her more than I do! Wtf is she wearing, a romper? It’s showing her white bra and we’ve already seen her white panties at Maci’s wedding when she tried to plow over the other guests to catch that bouquet. I’m tired of seeing your undercrackers, Nutria Rat!
Mackenzie, luckily you weren’t killed driving to your “wedding”. I have never seen such a sad case of enabling in my life. Next time, turn off the cameras sooner.
That was my favorite line in her stupid letter that she was so proud of, because it didn’t even make sense. Sounded like Farrah-speak! You can’t use graciously as a descriptive word for deserve. How do you deserve something graciously? What an idiot.
Oh yes, “and the privacy we all so graciously deserve.” Super flowery language there Macky, but that one there’s an easy fix. Stop doing the show, and you’ll get your gracious privacy but you’ll have to get a gracious job and like a normal gracious person and have about and eighth of that gracious money.
Oh my, holy typos. Me don’t use words or spell good.
Slow your roll there, Jen 2.0. You’ve been around for what, a year now, if that? Also, why would Maci feel the need to tell you anything when there’s video evidence of you running back to Ryan’s parents and snottily relaying everything to them in a non-constructive manner? She even gave you the benefit of the doubt at first, and then you showed your true colors as one of those nightmare second wives. She’s done more than enough for you. Take several seats.
Too well said.
Yes. Maci had already gone the route of confiding in her once, only for her to go running straight back to Jen and Larry to spill her guts out on everything Maci had told her.
So for me, Maci not telling her SQUAT about anything else, and instead choosing to confirm on camera what millions of viewers had already assumed anyway, was more than appropriate.
Addiction never only affects the addict. This is a common problem with drug addicts and their enablers. They think the addiction is THEIR secret and THEIR personal business to share if/when they’re ready. No. As soon as an addict’s addiction affects someone else, it becomes that person’s business. Ryan’s addiction is Maci’s business as it affects her and her son and I don’t care if she talked about it on tv or called the cops on him–that was all her right to do because it’s affecting her life. And guess what Mack, it was never a secret to begin with.
Where’s my comment. It was in mediation. Now it’s disappeared.
and another thing….as hard headed and as much of a bitch Mackenzie CLEARLY is…..if Maci did say something about Ryan’s drug use, there’s no way Mackenzie would’ve believed her anyway. Maci did say something to Ryan’s family about his drug use in the past, and nothing changed. Just goes to show how manipulative this Mackenzie person is. She’s putting Maci in a damned if you do damned if you don’t position, when Maci is not the problem. Ryan is.
Mackenzie’s reaction last night further solidified me not liking her. At all. The way she tried to blame RYAN’S actions on Maci was ridiculous, and she sat there and told the bold face lie that she didn’t know Ryan was an addict…that’s as believable as Farrah saying that James Deen was her boyfriend and their “sex tape” “accidentally” got leaked.
Mackenzie seriously sat there and said that she had no idea Ryan was out of his mind when he was swerving, dozing off, slurring and chanting “were gonna be married!” on the way to their wedding. Meanwhile she said “were you taking Xanax AGAIN?”…the AGAIN let’s you know right there that she knew about his problem.
The girl is an opportunist. Honestly every single person the cast of OG date are opportunists except for Taylor. Mackenzie does not have Ryan’s best intentions at heart, and she’s a manipulative little snake. She was so nice and perfect when her and Ryan were dating….now that she’s sealed the deal and married him earning herself a perminent spot on TV she has transformed into her true self, and she is uglier on the inside then she is on the outside.
She said she found out two days before the wedding about his problem, which would have been the day before that scene was filmed. I don’t think Ryan’s drug problem is with xanax, so the only thing I can think is that either he took that and it out him over the edge, or Mac said that on purpose to cover for him. Make it seem like he got anxious and took a xanax, rather than that he had a serious problem. At that point she was well aware of his issues and that he would be attending rehab the very next day. I have NO idea why she would let him drive under those circumstances.
which is crazy in itself because what good hearted person would MARRY someone they just found out is an addict?? Wouldn’t you want to marry them when they get sober so you know that the relationship is real? This girl has an agenda, and I really hope that he has a prenup because this girl is sneaky. The foundation of their relationship was built in the eye of the storm that is Ryan’s drug addiction. She doesn’t know him and he doesn’t know her. As pushy and as mean as she is, she’s not gonna be around very long when he truly sobers up. And another thing….When are the women in his life going to hold him accountable for his actions?? It’s ridiculous what Jen and Mack are letting him get away with
Totally agree. And she has a 3 year old son. I think the finale episode was called “Truth be told” and for good reason. MTV didn’t show the scene of Ryan playing with the toy car just for kicks. They purposelessly got shots of his arms on multiple occasions where undeniable track marks are clearly visible. No way Mac didn’t know about Ryan’s problem, she just has to make it seem that way because her sons father now has a VERY good reason to seek full custody of their child.
Purposely***
I thought the dad had full custody, and that the only way she was allowed to have him visit her was that she had to sign an agreement that he would be no where near the MTV cameras? Unless what I read was wrong…
I think it’s Mackenzie that’s been humiliated more so than Ryan.
Honestly, it’s time the whole series ended for the good of all involved.
Mackenzie humiliated herself hitching he wagon to a known deadbeat addict for fame and attention. This girl is 20 and on marriage number two. She’s an opportunist and all those chickens are coming home to roost. If you really loved Ryan you wouldn’t have married him while he was high. Nice try, Fakenzie.
Oh she most definitely humiliated herself. That’s why she has turned this in to such a blame circus.
Another thing I don’t understand…you all have known about Ryan’s pill problem since 2012 and he’s been allowed to drive with Bentley in the car?! I am 100% convinced that it escalated over the past year into intravenous drug use, which is what prompted Maci to out Ryan. Maci told the addiction specialist she didn’t know what exactly he was using, but I think she knew exactly what he was using and didn’t want to expose him. Why did she wait so long…it seems so out of character. Bentley was only 3 years old when Ryan started using! Why hasn’t there been a protective order or rule in place at least prohibiting him from driving with Bentley in the vehicle??!
I’m always surprised by how much people seem to hate on Maci, think she’s a bad mom or an alcoholic. She’s an awesome mom and she acts her age.
Mackenzie-what an idiot. There’s no way she didn’t know Ryan was on drugs all along. At the last reunion show he was totally f-ed up and they all lied about it. She’s even more of an idiot for letting him drive, not only to get the pre-wedding haircut but to the wedding. Girl, do you want to make your kid motherless? Bentley fatherless?
For her to blame Maci for not telling her is nuts. Maci would’ve looked like a tool telling Mack or Jen and Larry about this. They all knew and tried to cover it up.
Mackfanzie is pathetic. The whole freakin internet knew Rhine was on drugs FOR YEARS!! yet Mackfanzie had no clue?? Bullshit!!
Ryan’s parents and Mackeninze definitely knew about his drug use. Remember in a previous season the fight Larry and Ryan got into? No one would talk about it on camera, except Ryan finally said it was over a wrench. Clearly he needed drug money and sold his dad’s tools. That is why Larry was so mad. That is why he got kicked out of his parents house. They 100% knew what was going on.
1) Legit question…when did the first Maci “talking about Ryan’s drug use” episode air? Because it feels like it was the whole season, which means Mackenzie would have seen the episode more than “2 days before the wedding.” Seriously asking because that may blow up her story…
2) Um, Mackenzie is blaming Maci for all the minutes he could have died? What about all of the minutes Mackenzie let Ryan drive to their wedding?
3) For her to not even a little bit understand that Maci was in a lose/lose situation with telling Mackenzie or not is immature and completely self-important. Maci telling her may not have been received well and then Ryan still may not have ended up in rehab. She’s was weighing how to be strategic. Her venting and trying to figure things out is not talking trash. Ryan’s wife needs to grow the hell up… Just because you had a kid and a divorce under your belt already hardly makes you an adult.
1) On the episode that aired on May 22, 2017, Maci mentioned that Ryan had a problem that was “scary” but she didn’t specify what it was. On the episode that aired on May 29, 2017 is when it was revealed that Ryan had a drug problem when she was in Puerto Rico with Amber and Catelynn. It was actually Amber that actually said it out loud first, not Maci. She said that she knew “Ryan was f*cked up.” So Ryan was actually already in rehab when this aired.
2) That’s exactly what I said! She was more concerned about the cameras recording him than their safety. That just shows you how f*cked up that woman’s priorities are.
3) Mackenzie obviously is resentful because she and Ryan’s family thought they could cover up his drug problem and they couldn’t. She wants to blame somebody for it being exposed so Maci is the easy one to blame because she basically confirmed what everyone already knew.
Ah! Thanks for answering about the timeline! I still call BS on Mackenzie not knowing until two days before the wedding (as most people don’t turn around and marry an addict upon 48 hours later after hearing such news) but good to know the lie isn’t as big as defying what was said and when it aired.
Ryan was in rehab before it aired, but they hinted and previewed that stuff in advance. I think he went to rehab immediately after he and his family knew he was going to be outed publicly.
The problem with MTV though is that they love the edit button so it’s possible Maci could have said something on camera to Jen/Larry/Mackenzie/Taylor/one of her friends/her parents and producers decided to cut it out. Remember the fight between Larry and Ryan? About the missing(?) tools? Ryan could have sold them for drug money and MTV decided to not put that part in the show. They also love to mess with timelines. MTV is so wishy washy it’s hard to figure out what happened on what date in real time and not MTV time.
I disagree and here’s why I don’t think MTV has any kind of moral compass and they would’ve loved the ratings and shock value had that happened they would’ve flashbacked to that scene of Maci talking to anyone of them so many times if they had anything like that
Macy does have the most boring story line which is why she incessantly talks about Ryan. Tyler/Taylor and Maci are soooo boring! Ryan isn’t ratings gold either but I have to admit that I couldn’t believe the last episode when Mackenzie and Ryan got married. I had to rewind a few parts to watch it over again thinking – is this really happening. Mackenzie appeared so desperate.
Mackenzie honey, do you work long hours, away from home for months on end? Cuz that’s the only logical reason I see to explain your excuse you didn’t know your husband (fiancé) is an absolute shit show. Should Mackenzie have been told about Ryan’s earlier attempt at rehab? Absolutely. Was it Maci’s job to tell her? Absolutely not. I can respect feeling protective of your husband, especially when he is in a vulnerable position, but Ryan alone shoulders the blame for Mackenzie feeling humiliated.
I don’t have a ton of personal experience with addiction. I have a cousin I love dearly who is an alcoholic and I have worried deeply for her. Like Maci, I have spoken with an expert in addiction services as to the best way I can offer love and support for my cousin. I saw Maci discussing Ryan on camera as a woman who is extremely afraid for someone she loves and cares for, while trying to protect her son. I imagine there were many viewers who could relate to Maci’s feelings.
More than anything, I think the important thing to remember is that, regardless of how it came about, Ryan did go to rehab. I wouldn’t dare claim to know the ideal amount of time Ryan needs in treatment, or even the specific drug in question. But he did go to rehab, and I sincerely hope he works for sobriety. From what I understand, sobriety is a lifelong battle, and I hope Ryan realizes it takes hard work to stay sober. There is an innocent child (or two) who deserves a dad who fought to control his demons.
As we were watching the scene I told my husband “Look how swollen his hands are – he’s shooting up.” He’s a small framed guy and I’m a long time viewer, this hands are not genetic.
Macks a liar ? point blank
The only reason Ryan went to rehab was because they all knew the s**t was going to hit the fan. It was going to be shown nation wide of how bad it really was no denying it. The Edwards and Mackenzie are going to keep enabling Ryan to his grave. Hopefully Maci can keep really seeing what’s actually going on and keep Bentley safe. Anyone with half a brain could see what was going on with Ryan.
I kinda like Mackenzie, but I call bullshit. I understand that she’s humiliated, but claiming to find out the day before their wedding, when she seemed so used to his behavior in the car, is hard to believe. Trust me from experience, you cannot date & live with an addict without knowing that SOMETHING is up. His sketchy behavior, her calling him out about the Xanax like it was a recurring thing, she might not have known the full extent of his addiction, but she knew enough obviously. Whether I agree with Maci’s approach or not, it wasn’t her job to handle it all on her own. He’s a grown ass man, with a wife & child, it’s time for them to stop blaming everyone else to save face & own his shit. I wish him well in his sobriety regardless.
Seriously, why do my comments take days to get approved? I love you, The Ashley, but it’s feeling kinda personal lately.
Same. I’ve stopped commenting because the moderation wait takes forever.
As far as I am concerned Maci going public was the only reason Ryan even went to rehab. She should be thanking her.
This moron. She thinks we’re all SO DUMB that we believe she didn’t have a clue about Ryan’s drug use until 2 days before rehab? The guy has been high as a kite in every scene on that show for YEARS! Let alone in person?! My husband walked through the room one time with Ryan on screen and said “What’s he on?” He had never even seen the show before! And you want us to believe that his mother, father, and fiancee were clueless? Sit down and don’t insult people’s intelligence like that, you liar.
Nothing makes me crazier than reality stars thinking we’re all so dumb that we’d fall for the worst, most ridiculous lies. Just like Leah and her “depression and anxiety”. GTFO Mackenzie. She’s lucky all Maci did was laugh because Maci could’ve eaten her up and spit her out, trying to pull that crap.
And I’m no fan of Dr. Drew but she was a royal witch to him, AND to the staff, telling them to get out of her way. Grow up. You’re an adult, a mother, and a wife. Get control of yourself. And btw, I’m no body-shamer because believe me, I’m heavier than most of these girls, but Mackenzie, that dress was not your size. I cringed when you stood up to stomp away, b/c I thought I was going to see a blurred out bum shot.
And let me guess, she’s going to pull the “Maci’s fans just hate me because I’m the new wife.” No. Even Maci’s haters could see through your BS. Don’t turn into Jen 2.0 and become Ryan’s 2nd enabler. Don’t use “privacy” as an excuse for covering up problems so people think you’re a perfect happy family. Face reality, get help, get off of effing Twitter, and stop blaming Maci for everything you, Ryan, and Ryan’s family did wrong in this situation. You all claim you love Bentley, but all of you are hurting him with what you’re doing. And btw posting a picture of Ryan less than 30 days after he left for rehab, on a boat headed to a party with a beer in his hand is not exactly a brilliant idea.
Exactly what I wanted to say but I was too mad to type after watching the witch on the after show ?
Omg THIS!!!
I couldn’t have said it better myself, Shea. Honestly, I have a very bad feeling that a 30 day (if it even was 30 days, it could’ve been shorter) stay in rehab isn’t going to do anything. If this isn’t his first attempt at rehab then a month stay isn’t going to fix the problem. I can almost guarantee he will relapse. I hope I’m wrong through.
Mackenzie is so unlikable when you see her true character. I wouldnt be surprised if she uses drugs too. She lies like a drug addict and married a junkie. Due to her drive and canine level of determination I would say her drug of choice would be coke , if she uses.
@ Mackenzie – Are you kidding me? “You (Maci) could have solved the problem”…?!!! Are you an idiot? Why aren’t you out there crying about how Jenn and Larry didn’t tell you that Ryan had a previous rehab stay – and why hasn’t RYAN told you? This is a grown-a** man! He’s older than Maci is. Give me a break, woman! There’s NO way you didn’t know. Maci didn’t give Ryan whatever he’s on! Put the responsibility where it belongs. That letter was the most immature, middle schooler thing I’ve ever heard a grown woman write. Maci straight up has class for not popping off at the mouth more than she did. Unreal.
I wouldn’t say Maci has class she is an alcoholic who allows her husband to drink and drive and drank while pregnant
Maci also did a fantastic job raising Bentley for 9 years while Ryan did nothing for him. If it wasn’t for Ryan’s parents wanting to see Bentley all the time, and Ryan living in their home, I doubt he would’ve seen Bentley more than a few times a year. Bentley looks visibly uncomfortable any time he’s in Ryan’s presence. Hate Maci if you want, but she’s lightyears ahead of Ryan and Mackenzie. And she doesn’t “allow” Taylor to do anything. Taylor is a grown man. If he drinks and drives, that’s his choice, not hers.
Maci drops Bentley off when it convenient for her. She drops Bentley off to party. So I guess the definition of class is drinking while pregnant. I guess the definition of class is being an alcoholic and sitting in the front while your husband is drinking while driving and that’s just what was captured on film. I guess the definition of class is not having job. Yeah Maci is definition of class!
I guess her drinking while pregnant wasn’t her fault…If Maverick has fetal alcohol syndrome that won’t be her fault either. Maci isn’t any better then Ryan she’s just addicted to a different substance. She was good at hiding it until she drank while obviously pregnant….what a pathetic human being and yet some girls look up to Maci!
I’m not sure if it was down to editing in the aftershow but I’m surprised Maci sat there and took it without defending herself. There is NO WAY Mackenzie didn’t know about Ryan’s issues until 2 days before he went to treatment! Didnt she also claim she didn’t know about his previous rehab stint? If so, why isn’t she blaming Jen & Larry for not telling her? Did you hear the way she spoke to the crew when she stormed in to the back room, I think the more we see of Mack, the more her true colours are being revealed! Maci should just wash her hands on the lot of them, she tried to help and all they do is try and cover up and blame Maci..It’s Bentley I feel for in this situation.
Ok, so I never had anything against Mackenzie but this changed my mind. I’m also not a big fan of Maci but I 100% side with her on this one. F U Mackenzie for blaming everything on Maci. Maci even said she approached Ryan’s Mom about the drug issue and Jen clearly did nothing about it. Mackenzie makes it seem like Maci was giving him drugs or something. What a terrible spot for Maci to have been in to begin with. I do believe Maci did the best she could. Shame on you Mackenzie for being a blamer. And I don’t believe that she found out about drug use 2 days before he went to treatment, that’s the biggest eye roll of the year.
Lol is Mack seriously trying to convince everyone that she only found out about Ryan’s drug issues two days before the wedding/rehab?! What BS. It’s been obvious for years that he’s on something. And if you find out that you fiancé has a substance abuse issue you don’t suddenly move up the wedding to the next day so he can get more custody rights. That’s actually insane and she’s insane if she expects that we believe that.
Was the storyline exploited? Sure. But, it did seem to force Ryan’s hand and shame his parents and Mack into finally acknowledging it.
I think everyone knew about the pills, but Maci apparently knew “since November” that he was injecting. I think that’s what Mackenzie was referring to in her letter. It’s the only thing that makes sense because clearly everyone knew he had a pill problem. Something happened that made Maci extremely concerned, because she said in that one episode that she found out some “really scary stuff.” Clearly, since she knew about the pills since 2012, that “really scary stuff” can only be one thing. That’s just my take on it.
As a side note, I can’t imagine how no one in that family noticed the marks on Ryan’s arms. There are pictures all over the internet of them. I also suspect that Maci made good on her promise to withold Bentley from the Edwards until Ryan got help. I think she went to court, and the rushed marriage was so important because it looks better to a judge if Ryan has a stable, sober companion. Just speculation, but it’s all starting to make sense.
His family knew. But Jen is the classic “we keep our family problems hush hush” mom who wants to sweep everything under the rug and put on the facade of a perfect happy family. And now Mackenzie is falling in line right behind her. Maci approached Jen about getting Ryan help and she was shut down. Jen admitted it and should be ashamed of it. She’s lucky Ryan isn’t dead or hasn’t killed someone else driving that huge truck all over the place, high out of his mind.
And the rushed marriage had nothing to do with Bentley or custody. Another ridiculous lie Mackenzie made sure to get on camera so we’d fall for it. That was for rehab and rehab only. Mackenzie is terrible at lying.
What do you mean it was for rehab? Why would that do anything to help him?
Personally I think that she wanted to marry him in order to have access to his money, and have control, and have all that power before he sobered up and he couldn’t just dump her. They get paid at the end of the season, so whatever money Ryan makes from beyond of their wedding day, she gets half if they were to divorce. And I doubt they had a prenup since he was so high.
I think that there is a minuscule chance that Mack, Jen and Larry didn’t know the full extent of Ryan’s addiction- and may STILL not know. I could see them minimalizing the problem and thinking it was only weed, Xanax, pills, whatever he went to rehab for before. I bet you that they had (have) no idea that it progressed to heroin and that he was injecting it. This guy needs WAY more help than he got, and his young and immature 20 year old wife needs to take a hard look at how she’s going to stop the enabling. It’s a miracle that this guy hasn’t gotten arrested, had a major car accident or had a significant OD. That will be coming soon since he certainly didn’t stay in rehab long enough to truly get at the problem.
He has been to rehab before. They knew. Dalis knew..every viewer knew.
Good Point, make Mackenzie look like an even bigger liar. Ryan has already been to rehab and failed and Mac is claiming to have learned about it habit 2 days before the wedding? Its not Maci’s responsibility to tell Mackenzie. Its her husband and Inlaws who should have told her silly ass since she is so simple she thought Ryans fully dilated pupils and bugged out eyes were normal.
I really don’t think that Mack gets to tell Maci what she should or should not say in front of the TMOG cameras. That’s the producer’s job, and Dr. Drew should have reminded Mack of this. Truth is, Maci Bookout is on a TV show. By the way…so is Mack.
So her sitting there reading from a rambling letter last night about how “Maci” should not have said this or that about Ryan’s addiction, an addition that most viewers had already figured out for themselves anyway, was for me. just a tad bit beyond ridiculous.
Maci has a ton of issues, but I don’t think she was wrong at all. We all know how much of an enabler Mimi Jen is and it appears that Mackenzie is Jen Jr, so if this is what Maci had to do to make sure the father of her child gets clean, then so be it.
While Mackenzie obviously isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed if she claims she didn’t know he was using drugs, I actually feel like it’s about time someone stuck it to Maci. She does act like she does no wrong, happy to point out everyone else’s flaws, gets into everyone else an business and says stuff like she’s the only one that will save Ryan.. but is rarely seen without a beer in her hand, pregnant or not.
I don’t know, I think Mackenzie has right to respond to Maci, but it’s tacky airing all of this sh*t on TV. But they get paid a mint to do it, so I don’t really feel sorry for any of them ??♀️
She admits to not having a perfect marriage, cursing at Taylor..she never said she was perfect. But she raised Bentley quite well! Cause that little guy IS perfect.