Former “Teen Mom 2″ star Kail Lowry recently revealed that Elliott, the eldest of her seven children, is with her “90 percent of the time,” while also implying that his dad and stepmom, Jo Rivera and Vee Torres, are allegedly not very involved in the teen’s life.
The multi-podcast host made these claims during a recent appearance on Harry Jowsey’s Boyfriend Material podcast, where she attempted to explain the co-parenting dynamic between herself and each of her four baby daddies, as well as the custody situation for each of her seven children. While doing so, Kail casually mentioned that one of the dads— whom listeners could easily figure out was Jo— doesn’t have a good relationship with their child.
“They’re all in Delaware,” Kail said of her children. “Two of the dads live in Delaware and two do not. There’s four [baby daddies], I know it’s a lot. I have three of [the kids] 90 percent of the time. It’s a 50/50 split with the other four [kids].”
As fans know, in addition to 16-year-old Elliott, Kail is a mom to 12-year-old son Lincoln, whom she shares with ex-husband Javi Marroquin. She also shares eight-year-old son Lux and five-year-old son Creed with Chris Lopez, as well as three-year-old son Rio and two-year-old twins Verse and Valley with former fiancé Elijah Scott.
Kail has previously shared with fans that Javi (who no longer lives in Delaware, due to his job in the military) and Elijah both have 50/50 custody of their kids. She’s also been very vocal about her co-parenting struggles with Chris (who doesn’t live in Delaware), seemingly confirming that two of the three children she has “90 percent of the time” are Lux and Creed. That means that the third kid she has “90 percent of the time” is Elliott.
Kail seemed to reference Jo again on the podcast when she claimed that “three out of four” of her baby daddies have a “good relationship” with their kids, but that “another dad is not really involved with his kid.”
Jo is the only dad who has just one kid with Kail– besides Javi, who is very involved in Lincoln’s life– so her comment indicates that Jo is the baby daddy who is “not really involved” in his child’s life.
Later in the podcast, Kail began to talk about her fallout with Vee and mentioned Elliott and Vee, “don’t really have a relationship either.” Kail also maintained that, at the time of her and Vee’s falling out in 2024, the two didn’t “actually co-parent at all” and that Vee didn’t “do anything for [Elliott].”
As The Ashley told you back in December, Kail vented to podcast listeners about the custody situation for Elliott, insisting that she and Jo needed to reconsider having split custody of the teen once he turned 16 and began driving.
“Fifty/fifty [custody], the older they get, doesn’t work for us,” Kail claimed. “For Elliott himself, who’s about to be 16 years old in a month, 50/50 is not ideal. He does not want to settle down at one of our houses and then get up a week later and have to go to the other [parent’s house] … 50/50 [custody] doesn’t work, but also, the kids deserve to have the option [to be with their dad].”
Kail went on to reveal on the episode that she and Jo “don’t see eye-to-eye” when it comes to allowing Elliott to come and go as he pleases between their homes, and claimed that when she discussed the issue with Jo in the past, he “kind of pushed back on it.”
“Jo does not want his 15 [or] 16-year-old son coming in and out [of his house],” she stated. “He’s expressed that and he’s made that very clear. I feel very differently about it. I think that [Elliott] should be able to come and go at both homes, with respect, obviously; text and give us a heads-up.”
Kail has maintained for a while now that she and Jo do not have a co-parenting relationship, with the two opting instead to communicate with Elliott individually, rather than with each other.
“Jo and I don’t communicate,” she told fans in 2024. “Like, we have no communication, whatsoever. We don’t talk.”
On a 2025 episode of Kail’s Barely Famous podcast, Elliott officially came out as gay. (He also explained on the episode that he was now going by his middle name, Elliott, instead of his first name, Isaac, partly because he wanted to separate the person he is today from the kid people watched on ‘Teen Mom 2.’) Elliott detailed on the episode how members of his dad’s family reacted when he came out to them; however, he shied away from discussing his relationship with Jo, leading some fans to speculate that Jo wasn’t supportive of his son coming out as gay.
Later that month, Kail told Parade that she spoke to Jo about the podcast episodes featuring their son and that Jo listened to the episodes when they were released. Kail assured fans that Jo was supportive of Elliott and Elliott’s decision to share his story publicly.
“He was really proud of Elliott, and he said that he was happy,” Kail said. “He was perfectly fine with the questions that were being asked.”
Despite Kail’s recent comments about Jo and Vee’s relationship with Elliott, the teen posted photos to social media in April that featured his younger sister Vivi (Jo and Vee’s daughter), suggesting that he had joined his dad and stepmom on a family vacation.
Elliott also continues to follow both Jo and Vee on Instagram.
Watch a clip from Kail’s appearance on ‘Boyfriend Material’ below.
(Photos: MTV; Instagram)
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Here’s Karl. Spinning the narrative the way she wants it to go again. Shit talking Jo & Vee because they don’t bite back.
Complaining that everyone wants to talk about her gaggle of baby daddies but then realises it’s literally the only interesting thing about her life so she talks about it herself to stay relevant.
Hey Kail- you’re a total piece of shit. Get a fucking life & quit acting like you’re in high school.
For someone who is constantly whining about people only focusing on her baby daddies she sure can’t shut the hell up about them, can she? Seriously, every single week she is saying something new about at least one of them. You leave “Teen Mom” because you’re mad that they only want to do storylines about your baby daddies and then you proceed to do nothing but talk about them on the very shows that you were mad about MTV not giving you storylines about. In other words, get a damn grip and look at what you are doing already, Kail. *sigh* (By the way, I despise the term “baby daddies,” but since she uses it I felt compelled to do the same in the hopes that using it might cause her to understand what I’m saying in case she does sneak in here and read the comments. I highly doubt that happens though).
She is so d@mn toxic and damaged. This reeks of parental alienation. She openly discusses Jo and Vee in a negative light when there is a 16 year old with social media access in the middle. She is obviously way more permissive than Jo and then encourages Elliot to view Jo as the bad guy, when is sounds like he’s just a regular parent. She has no idea what a functioning family even looks like.
There’s another way to look at things. I mean , duh, kail buys him anything and everything he wants (and lots he doesn’t). So of course that plays a role in where he’d spend a lot of time..
But, also, Elliott is a sweet kid who loves his siblings and damn well knows kail isn’t parenting them, at all. He knows she sucks at being a responsible parent. It stands to reason that he’d want to be there for them too, knowing his own experience and how little she truly cares about being a present and accountable parent. I’m willing to bet he does a LOT of crap she should be doing, but can’t be assed to do. Her kids are nothing more than trophies to her, ones she isn’t even sure she wants (or ever wanted). Elliott is compensating for her, and even Chris at times.
Which is really sad when you think about it. But it’s often the reality for kids who grow up in the spotlight with parents who should definitely not have kids. Kail should have never had any kids. She may not be physically abusive, but she’s still a shit person, a terrible parent, and the kids get all the worst parts of her….all the time.
Kail has always had animosity towards Jo & Vee. If Vee doesn’t want to be involved in elliot’s events and activities.. she doesn’t have to be. Vee has a child of her own to tend to. Why does kail not ever stop to think that maybe after all the years of her berating them over complete and utter bullshit, it has them not wanting to have shit to do with her???? She’s impossible and exhausting to be honest. This is exactly how it goes for parents who have been alienated from their children. Kail makes things hard for people to want to be in those children’s lives because she’s miserable. The only reason she has a better relationship with elijah is because he does what she says, always. I know Jo & Vee are happy to be done with her bullshit, if only she could stop mentioning them all the time too? If the roles were reversed, she would split hell in half.
Vee and Jo should slap HER with a cease & desist to no longer mention them on her podcasts. She would do it to them in a heartbeat.
kail’s biggest problem is that she doesn’t know how to co parent, but she loves to talk an awful lot about it. she’s a control freak and she doesn’t give opportunity for a mutual agreement. everything has to be, in the way that she sees best. .when she wanted to buy their child a brand new lexus- but Jo wanted to buy their child a used vehicle. . she decided to buy the brand new lexus and still expected reimbursement from Jo. when elliot participated in prom, elliot had a want for designer attire, kail supported that decision. Jo didn’t want to spend that kind of money on clothing, so he didn’t reimburse her for it. kail talks all the time about how she doesn’t want to set unrealistic financial expectations for her children, but she does all this in return. she can do what she chooses with her own money but she’s not obligated to Jo’s when the agreement isn’t mutual.
Personally, I think the reasoning behind this is that Jo and Vee actually parent Elliot, while Kailyn treats him like her adult-aged bestie. What teenager is going to prefer the household with boundaries and rules over the one where mom’s too busy promoting her boyfriend to notice anything you do?
Kail is one of the biggest examples of parental alienation that we have in the public eye, and she uses her position as a D-List “celeb” to double down on the tactics she uses. It has always seemed obvious that while Elliot loves both of his parents, he enjoys being around Kail more because she doesn’t parent him and tries to be his best friend instead. Plus, he really enjoys all the things that come with her being in the public eye- which there is nothing wrong with at all, but she very actively weaponizes that in her favor and it is clear as day.
MTV needs to bring back “The Real World”. This time have Kail, Amber, Janelle, Amanda and Farrah all in one house. Whoever is the last person standing wins.
@Stanley— I would host this for free! Can we add Tori and her drumsticks just for extra fun? And Debz OG? -The Ashley
She needs to find a job where she isn’t constantly running her mouth!
And embarrassing her children. Or the children will eventually be embarrassed when they’re old enough to understand the very personal word vomit she blathers about them.
Kail loves to rewrite history. It will only be a matter of time before one of her kids speaks their truth. Of all her baby daddies Jo after all these years doesn’t seem like he’s going to just drop a relationship with his child…. And of course Kail buys these kids love so what 16 y/o wouldn’t want to be with the parent who buys them whatever they want and is never fully present emotionally