Their ‘Baby Mamas No Drama’ podcast may be over, but Kail Lowry and Vee Torres’ recent social media feud proves that the two baby mamas of Jo Rivera still have plenty of unfinished business.
As you know, Kail and Vee (rather awkwardly) ended their podcast in late 2024, after which Kail almost immediately launched the ‘Karma & Chaos’ podcast with her formerly estranged friend Becky Hayter.
While the end of ‘BMND’ seem to also mark the end of Vee’s friendship with Kail, Vee’s friend Alessandra Gonzalez– who also used to co-host a podcast with Vee– has continued to work with/for Kail under the former ‘Teen Mom 2’ star’s KILLR Podcast Network.
Alessandra also appears on Kail’s new micro-drama reality show, ‘Crashing Out With Kail.’ In fact, a clip from the series posted to social media this week showed Kail and Alessandra getting into a pretty heated work-related argument that ended with Kail storming out the room, with a visibly frustrated Alessandra following behind.
When someone in the comments of the post suggested that the clip made it clear why Vee “disappeared,” Kail jumped in to slam Vee’s alleged treatment of their once-shared friend, ultimately igniting a back-and-forth between the former ‘BMND’ co-hosts.
“ … I’m going to say it one time – Alessandra was the friend that was sh*t on by Vee,” Kail wrote. “Period. Full stop. I won’t say it again.”
Despite her tendency to not engage in Kail’s petty posts in the past, a fired-up Vee hopped on social media to lob a pointed– and very pissed off– message at the multi-podcast host.
“ … I’m so f**king sick and tired of my name being in other people’s mouths when they have absolutely no f**king idea– or think they have an idea– of what the f**k happened between me and any other relationship, any friendship,” Vee said. “Are you f**king kidding me? Do not speak on sh*t that you do not f**king know about … [because] no, I didn’t ‘sh*t’ on anybody or any f**king friendship, let’s get that f**king clear.
“Keep my name out of your f**king mouth, period,” she continued. “Enough is e-f**king-nough. If me or the other person is not speaking on the situation, it’s none of your f**king godd*mn business. It really isn’t.”
After receiving the verbal beatdown from Vee, Kail returned to social media to double down on her previous remarks, while also accusing Vee of never defending Alessandra when the two were still friends.
“ALESSANDRA doesn’t speak on it [because] she’s RESPECTFUL AND CORDIAL REGARDLESS,” Kail shouted wrote. “Alessandra is a phenomenal person and I’m tired of seeing the narrative that she’s a sh*tty friend or left Vee for me. Vee has never clarified that. Vee has never come to Alessandra’s defense to say it has and had NOTHING to do with me. So I’m supposed to sit back and let the narrative continue? No.”
After seeing Kail’s Instagram comment, Vee took to her podcast Instagram page to fire back a lengthy response of her own, and to request (once again) that Kail “leave [her] the HELL ALONE.”
“You know nothing,” Vee wrote. “Stop speaking on me and a friendship you only know one side of. You’re mad people created a narrative which is what they do all the time. I don’t need to speak on anything just like [Alessandra] doesn’t.”
Vee went on to argue that, despite what Kail claimed, Alessandra wasn’t just a coworker, she was someone that Vee considered family. She also noted that if Alessandra felt that she had been wronged by her, those feelings were never communicated. Vee then reiterated to Kail that she doesn’t have to clarify anything to her or anyone, especially not for “entertainment” purposes.
“Leave me out of your miserable mouth,” she wrote. “If [Alessandra] ever wants to actually talk to me about what’s really bothering her she could have. Godd*mn, this is so exhausting. It’s been years already leave it the f**k alone and move onnnnnn.”
Kail later returned to Instagram to further explain her side of the story, while claiming that she “got tired of the narrative that the reason [Vee and Alessandra] don’t speak anymore is because of [her].”
“ … it had nothing to do with me,” Kail insisted. “Stop the f**king narrative. I wouldn’t be in the f**king comment section if I wasn’t constantly getting blamed for something I had nothing to do with.”
Kail went on to claim that “nobody” has ever spoken up to confirm that she had nothing to do with the Vee/Alessandra situation, leaving her to defend herself on social media.
“I’m gonna say my piece because I’m getting attacked regardless,” she said. “All of this started because I came to Alessandra’s defense, but if anyone [had] just clarified that I had nothing to do with them not speaking, like, it could’ve gone a long way. I have found that, in two years later, [I’m] still getting blamed for a friendship parting ways that I had nothing to do with.”
Kail argued that she wasn’t “speaking on one side,” as Alessandra has allegedly “never spoken sh*t about Vee” to her. Instead, she insisted that her comments on the situation were based solely on “what [she] saw with [her] own two eyes.”
“But what’s interesting is that I have text messages from Vee from right before we ended [‘Baby Mamas No Drama’] where she says she knows I’m not the villain and she doesn’t like that I’m continuing to be pigeonholed into being the villain,” Kail added. “Yet nobody will speak up anytime I’m blamed for something on their little corner of the internet. Nobody speaks up, nobody says, ‘This has nothing to do with Kail.’”
At this time, Alessandra has not weighed in on Kail and Vee’s social media feud.
You can watch a clip from Kail’s (latest) response to the discourse below.
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Kail is so exhausting, when will she ever not be creating drama. Ever shouldn’t even entertain this miserable woman but also shame on Alessandra for not being a big girl and putting an end to all the stupidity. She clearly want to be in the spotlight or at least act like she is and that’s why she went with Kail.
I am honestly surprised that Vee hasn’t defended herself before now. Kail is miserable. She always has been. She is also blind. Every failed friendship has been because of her. Marc was a great friend to her and she called him her “brother”. Then they had an argument that was 100% Kail’s fault and she dumped the friendship and got online to shit talk him. Same with Becky, Same with Vee, she did it to Lindsey. She will lose everyone around her. Including Alessandra who she talked to like a dog one day. She will have no one.