A third audio recording featuring Teen Mom OG star Amber Portwood going off on her then-boyfriend Andrew Glennon has been released. In this clip, like the previous two, Amber can be heard verbally abusing Andrew and threatening his life, but this time, she brings her abuse of her other baby daddy, Gary Shirley, into it!
The audio recording, which was given to the Without a Crystal Ball vlogger by “a source connected to Andrew and Amber,” was reportedly recorded in August 2018. Andrew has said on social media that this was the first time Amber allegedly physically assaulted him. In the recording, Amber and Andrew discuss the incident, and both admit that Amber hit Andrew while he was driving.
The vlogger states that Amber became upset because Andrew refused to pass a truck in front of them, as Amber instructed him to, and she got angry about it. (The photo below was posted to Amber’s Instagram account just days before this recording allegedly took place.)
This comes on the heels of two other disturbing audio recordings released last week on the Without a Crystal Ball YouTube channel. In both of those recordings, Amber threatens to kill Andrew multiple times, and can be heard verbally abusing him.
The new audio recording starts out with Amber mocking Andrew for being upset that she hit him in his face.
“Is it because my fat f**king mouth can’t deal with this?” Amber asks as she mockingly cries.
Andrew insists that he was quiet when Amber told him to be quiet, but that Amber kept yelling at him anyway.
“You’re a motherf**king joke, dude!” Amber yells. “That’s not what happened! NO IT’S NOT, you f**king old man! No the f**k it’s not! No, it’s not you f**king senile bitch!”
Andrew asks Amber to stop yelling in front of their infant son, James, but Amber continues to yell that Andrew’s a liar.
“It’s a bunch of lies out of your f**king ignorant head!” Amber yells. (We can assume that Amber is calling Andrew a liar because he won’t admit to continuing to “run his mouth” after she told him to be quiet.)
Andrew denies lying, telling Amber, “You like to hit people. What the f**k?”
Amber doesn’t dispute that she likes to hit people. She does, however, explain who she hits.
“I hit people who can’t shut their f**king mouth!” she screams.
Andrew says he did shut his mouth, but Amber denies that.
“No you didn’t shut your goddamn mouth, no you didn’t honey,” she says. “No you didn’t you senile ret**d! No, you f**king didn’t. You kept going, going and going, just like the other f**king night!
“You’re f**king RET**DED!” she adds.
Later in the audio (after calling Andrew a “little bitch-ass baby”), Amber accuses Andrew of never working in his life. (This is ironic because Amber met Andrew while he was working on the crew of Marriage Boot Camp: Family Edition.)
“You’ve never did anything, you f**king little brat!” she screams, before switching the attack to Andrew’s previous relationships.
“I wonder why your other relationships didn’t work out? Because of your fat f**king mouth!” Amber yells. “You’re a disrespectful f**king punk!”
Amber then accuses Andrew of “trying to ruin people’s goddamn lives” before telling him that she doesn’t regret hitting Andrew, and that he deserved way worse than he got.
“You deserved exactly what you got! In fact, you deserve way more than that, honey!” Amber tells Andrew. “You speak to me in an ignorant f**king ridiculous tone…nobody cares what’s coming out of your f**king mouth. You’re lying, you ret**d. YOU did it. You kept f**king going, you f**king ret**d!”
Amber said she told Andrew to stop screaming while they were in the elementary school parking lot, and he protests that he was screaming, “Because my face was bleeding!”
Amber kicks Andrew out of the house, then tells him, “I’ll f**king kill you, dude! I swear to f**king God! I swear to God!”
“You just hit me. You just f**king hit me!” Andrew says.
“You deserved it– and then some!” Amber replies.
“No I didn’t, I didn’t deserve that,” Andrew protests.
“Watch your motherf**king mouth when you’re speaking to me!” Amber screams.
“I didn’t deserve that,” Andrew says again.
“You did! In my head, you did! Because you’re a piece of s**t!” Amber replies.
Amber accuses Andrew of ruining her life, which Andrew denies.
“You punched me in your daughter’s elementary school!” he tells her. “You hit me while I was driving.”
Amber doesn’t deny that she hit him.
“Yeah, I did! I did! Next time shut your F**KING MOUTH!” she screams.
“That’s what you do to people driving…?” Andrew asks.
“100 F**KING PERCENT! Plus more!” Amber yells back. “So much more to come honey if you want to f**king test me! You can get sad all you want, Andrew, but your punk ass can’t speak to me like that.”
Andrew accuses Amber of being “a lie.” (We can assume he means her public persona is much different than who she is behind closed doors.)
Andrew then brings up Amber’s other baby daddy, Gary, asking if this is what she used to do to him.
“Yeah, Gary had a fat f**king mouth too and I beat the s**t out of him! I sure did!” Amber said. (‘Teen Mom’ fans know that Amber was arrested and later convicted of domestic violence and battery against Gary, which, in part helped send her to prison in 2012.)
“I sure the f**k did! You keep doing this…” Amber says before trailing off.
Gary has not yet spoken out about any of the audio recordings released. Before their release, however, he had publicly supported Amber at her court hearings.
Last week, MTV held a conference call to discuss the first clip (which was the only one at the time that had been released). Despite reports circulating the Internet right now, The Ashley can confirm that, as of Tuesday night, Amber had NOT been fired from her job on ‘Teen Mom OG.’ (The Ashley will update this if anything changes.)
To listen to the entire audio clip below. (Be forewarned that this video continues a lot of profanity and may be very triggering some listeners.)
To listen to the first leaked audio clip, click here.
To listen to the second leaked audio clip, click here.
(Photos: MTV, Instagram)
The Ashley is any kind of talk at all coming from MTV? I mean this is ridiculous! Is there a next court date for this?
The whole court/custody:criminal case is going to take forever.
Amber is a piece of crap. I really see nothing redeeming about her. She’s lazy, sits around all day glued to either the couch or bed, doesn’t take care of her children, verbally and physically abuses people – what does she offer to society? When this show is over, she’s going to be in a hard spot. She has no education and I doubt any real work experience whatsoever. I’m sure she’ll be going on public assistance and not just to get a leg up, she’ll be a lifer. And it’s rich accusing Andrew of never working!! Pot, meet kettle.
Ashley I would think by now you have heard something, maybe not a definite she will be fired but certainly something pertaining to this situation. Any update you can provide as to what is going on would be greatly appreciated.
It’s now been days since these recordings came out – why hasn’t Amber been fired? There is no question that the content of these recordings is horrific and justifies firing her immediately!
Morgan Freeman, go eat a fat pile of shit! You may choose from any your favorite cast members.
The July 4 incident was recorded bc Andrew texted 911 and you can’t make a call if you are recording something on you phone. He was setting her up but she is psycho and has to pay for beiing violent
MTV should let her go like yesterday she’s an abuser why continue allowing this behavior?? U got rid of Jennell n David why not Amber?? She’s insane r u waiting to she actually kills someone then say we didn’t know she was that bad?? She eat Gary now Andrew. If she had Leah all the time she would abuse her too. U know there were times Leah didn’t want to o yo Ambers maybe she saw some of this. I hope Leah gets nto therapy Amber has hurt her kids mentally.
Hey, ya’ll, there’s a petition on change.org to get Amber fired. I just signed it.
I just signed it too
MTV better fire her and through this loser in jail. She is a danger to all
Let me clear things up for everyone, me and my family do not hit, we spank. There is a difference, hitting is what Ambee does. Spanking is literally just a swat or two on the bottom (and nowhere else). With an open hand. It’s no different than swatting a fly (other than the fact the fact that the ultimate goal is to kill the fly).
No one can tell me they’ve never swatted flies before. If you say you haven’t, you’re a bunch of damn liars.
Swatted a fly – done. Causing children (or any other person) physical harm in order to prove or establish power – no way, never ever! Comparing the to is odd enough to me.
Sorry but spanking is hitting. When you take your hand and slap it on a child’s behind that is a hit. And it teaches them that when something goes wrong the way to solve it is with violence. It can not be compared to swatting a fly.
I grew up in a household of 3 boys, 3 girls including myself. My two older siblings were “spanked” (they are a little older than the rest of us) up until they began recreating that behavior when they went to school or on the rest of us smaller children at home.
As a parent, you have the most influence on your child. When you teach them things like spanking, you are teaching them that inflicting physical pain is the way to resolve conflict. We can all do better.
A legion of child psychologists and courts disagree with you that spanking isn’t hitting. Because they are mechanically and functionally the same thing. You can spin it and try to justify that slapping someone’s face is hitting but slapping their ass isn’t, but it’s bullshit. Both are just violent punishment disguised as discipline.
You won’t convince any rational person differently. If you can’t teach important life lessons without resorting to violence that’s a you problem.
Abra, you still don’t get it.
God this person has an annoying personality vacuum
You’re embarrassing yourself. A spank is a hit. Maybe it’s a lighter hit, but it’s still a hit. You’re using physical violence as a deterrent. If it doesn’t hurt, it’s not a punishment, so it’s intended to hurt. You are hoping your kid hates being hit so much that they behave next time. That’s abuse.
Also, I suggest you research this. A best spanking is ineffective, but at worst it causes long term psychological damage (impulsiveness, anger issues, etc.)
You raise a hand to a child to stop bad behavior….and you don’t realize your own behavior is bad.
Just because others do it, or have done it, doesn’t make it right. If you can’t find better methodologies for disciplining CHILDREN< I think you need someone to help you find better methods. There are many out there, and most are pretty damn effective, when the person initiating it actually has an interest in teaching the child why it's bad behavior and needs to stop. Children need to be taught, and spanking, hitting, whatever the hell you want to call it, doesn't actually teach that. It teaches fear of consequence, sometimes, but mostly it just teaches that you, an adult, can hit whenever you don't like someone's behavior, but the child is told he/she cannot. It also teaches fear of pain (kinda obvious, and let's not pretend all spankings are gentle, ok, we're not idiots)
Maybe YOU weren't taught better ways of dealing with things you don't like. I was too, but that doesn't mean it was an appropriate action, effective, or even remotely good. Don't fool yourself into thinking hitting your kids-YES a spank is a hit, I didn't say punch, I said hit, makes you some super mom who knows how to deal with bad behavior. Maybe the fact that you KEEP having to raise your hand to A CHILD (important), or worse CHILDREN, is proof positive that your method is shit.
she should be sacked if that was a man doing he’d be fired disgusting vile person she don’t deserve children
Is Gary a potential witness since he saw the blood on Andrews face just after the incident?
My theory on why Andrews camp is releasing these audio recordings…to speed up the negogiating process with Amber.
It could takes years to finalize this mess. Ambers criminal charges can be delayed, there will evaluations, cps investigations, therapy, supervised visits, postponements, etc. And then he will have to do a seperate court petition to move out of state.
Amber will be less likely to fight his demands now that her behavior has been exposed publicly. They will still have to go threw cps but if she’s agreeable the faster he’s off to Cali.
She will deal with the criminal charges separately but Andrew won’t care how that goes as long as he’s got custody with little or no contact.
WHY TF HAS THERE BEEN NO NEWS YET??????????? WTF MTV!!!!!!
For the simple reason that they are still calculating which option puts more money in the bank for them.
I bet all of y’all who “rallied behind” amber are feeling stupider than stupid now. Nothing more ignorant than blindly supporting someone without the knowledge of any facts.
Their to stupid to feel anything Jack.
Obviously Andrew or his people are behind these audios being released. What I don’t understand is why release these to the public and not just holdout and have these played out in court? I’m on neither team however wouldn’t these being public hurt Andrew chances of gaining whatever he’s trying to gain?
Nothing she said is “verbal abuse”. People have tempers, they have low patience for dumb shit. If you know someone like that then give them space. Egging them on isn’t going to benefit you and you deserve whatever you get.
But we all know Andrew is a beta. Dude gets hit with a shoe and comes back with food and a gift. That will always make me laugh.
I completely agree. I am on neither team (whether that be pro Amber or pro Andrew, contrary to popular belief). To me, they both did wrong. And I see what you mean about Andrew “egging her on”. I noticed in several episodes that he would try to derail the situation with sarcasm or a joke and Amber would tell him to stop but he wouldn’t listen.
I believe Andrew did that because who would believe him? Obviously that teen mom crew didn’t. Stop excusing her abusive behavior. That is how she has gotten away with it for so long. I bet MTV is culpable also. Get this show off tv. Stop paying them hundred of thousands of dollars.
You will never get anyone to agree with you. Most people see this as black & white. Andrew is 100% right because he was abused. That’s the narrative.
I personally don’t feel this way. Something stinks here. I believe Andrew was abused. HOWEVER, I think he’s trying for a money grab. I’m 100% suspicious of him. The 3rd tape released was marked August 2018. They claim this was the first tape Andrew ever made. Amber was arrested in July 2019. That’s almost an entire year of making audio recordings. They claim there are MORE tapes. How many tapes did this dude need to make before he felt like he had proof? This latest tape has Amber admitting to assaulting him. Gary saw the nose bleed. Why stay longer than you need to? I’m not buying the “you can’t question the victim” bullshit I can’t. James was #1. His safety the most important. But Andrew continued to make audio of her….for almost a year. Something is not right with Andrew. And I don’t care what anyone else says. And let me clarify: Amber is an abuser and deserves everything she gets. Andrew is not on the up and up.
One thing that’s certain about Andrew, he’s a LOSER! No one that isn’t would ever spend even one day with the Rambler.
Any normal healthy person would have never gotten involved with Amber.
Your attitude is exactly why victims don’t want to come forward.
There’s always some asshole ready to turn the tables on the victim to put them on trial for the actions of the abuser. I’m 100% suspicious of people like you.
Lol.
Abra you and Ava should be banned from this site, your both so obsessed with amber, and on other posts your a pair of bullies
LOOOOOL. Banned because we have different opinions than the mob? First of all we have freedom of speech. Secondly please get over yourself. People like you is exactly what’s wrong with society. Either everyone has to agree or if you don’t then you have to be censored. Gtfoh.
Obsessed with Amber? My initial comment said IM NOT ON NEITHER TEAM. Do read next time before running your mouth. And also how are we obsessed with Amber? We’ve been replying to you morons.
And we’re bullies? LOOOOOOL LMAO. Y’all gain up on us. We’ve been respectful, you guys haven’t.. Go play victim with someone else. I’m sure Andrew can give you some pointers.
Amen sister!!!
And people like you who condone DV, is what’s wrong with the world.
It’s got nothing to do with your opinion, and everything with victimising the victim, whilst condoning abuse.
your an asshole
Do you even have a brain? No one with even basic intelligence would say any of the moronic shit you just said.
Just because it apparently needs to be stated: No, no one deserves to be punched in the face by their significant other…no child deserves to be present while one parent is abusing physically and verbally the other parent. Threatening to kill someone and calling people names IS in fact the definition of verbal abuse.
If you’re not a troll, seek immediate psychological help because you are either psychotic or dangerously stupid.
Read again, genius. I didn’t say anything about physical abuse. I was talking about “verbal abuse”. If you egg someone on then don’t play victim when they unleash on you.
James is a year old. Literally still an infant. He isn’t going to remember any of this. Hell even adults don’t remember being an infant.
Get over yourself.
She literally sat there screaming bloody murder calling him any name she could think of, hit him, told him she would hit him some more, then told him she would kill him. Are you actually too stupid to understand that that is verbal abuse? Seriously, seek help.
So in your world, a victim has to behave in a certain way to qualify the same behavior from an abuser as abuse? Honestly it doesn’t even make sense. He wasn’t yelling. He wasn’t cursing. He said he didn’t swerve around the truck because he felt it would be unsafe with james in the car. So are you saying he’s obligated to put his child in a dangerous situation to not “provoke” a psychotic individual? That is…honestly there aren’t words to explain how stupid and ridiculous that line of thinking is.
Based on your very illogical responses, I think one of 3 things is going on here.
1. You are Amber or one of her relatives.
2. You are a category A Troll
3. You are delusional and beyond help and quite possibly an abuser yourself
No one deserves to be talked to like this. I can tell you need some help. I’m honestly not even throwing shade when I say that. Your views are very concerning. Please get the help you need.
No sweetie I don’t need help. I do need y’all to stop being so goddamn annoying. You think you can work on that? Just because we have different opinions on things doesn’t mean someone needs help or do you think we all need to think alike?
You want to call what she did “verbal abuse” and I don’t. GET. OVER. IT.
Ava, apparently I’m not being clear. You’re fucked up mentally, and that’s why you need help.
You’re flat out wrong. What Amber did IS by definition verbal abuse. It’s not a difference of opinion. You are wrong. Don’t get confused.
Man I tell you to get over it. One simple request and you can’t do it. Must suck being you. Youre thriving off this attention I’m giving you, aren’t you?
Having different opinions doesn’t make anyone right or wrong. Get off your high horse. Also doesn’t make anyone mentally fucked. Seriously how narcissistic are you to think if someone doesn’t agree with your way of thinking then there has to be something wrong with that person?
Definitions change or do you not know that? Again just because you think something is a certain way and someone else disagrees with you, that does not make you right. It’s called having fucking different opinions, you nimrod.
Get the fuck over it.
The most frustrating thing about you, Ava, is that you still think there’s a possibility that you’re right. Why don’t you provide a *CREDIBLE* source like the American Psychiatric Association or a reputable mental health institution that agrees with you that abuse is not abuse if the victim is “egging it on” (which there isn’t even evidence that he was doing…you just simply assume that because you feel like it.)
“Definitions change” may be the weakest argument I’ve ever heard. So if I hand you some frozen, creamy milk with sugar and you say wow this is great ice cream. I can then say excuse me this is not ice cream..definitions change. You would think I was a fucking lunatic…hence…why I think you are now.
What Amber did is wrong, the word it’s called doesn’t matter (although the definition SERIOUSLY hasn’t changed).
Now I’m intrigued (and more than a little concerned), what exactly is it that you think constitutes verbal abuse?
Verbal abuse is when you are literally minding your own business and someone unleashes on you. Let’s say you’re in a relationship and you have plans to go out for dinner. You’re in the bathroom getting ready, minding your own business and your guy comes in and just goes off. Calls you a slut cause of how you’re dressed, how your make up is, says no one wants you. Blah blah blah you get the picture.
Andrew is not innocent in this. He eggs Amber on knowing how she is. She flipped out on him cause she wanted him to pass the truck and he didn’t. If he would’ve passed the truck then she wouldn’t have gone off. You have to pick your battles and Andrew just constantly finds ways to make Amber go off.
And really I think he gets off on this. He could’ve left many times and choose not to. He has no backbone and wants to do a smear campaign to gain sympathy.
Omg Ava,
You really are as thick as you sound, it’s not ok so verbally abuse or physically abuse, These pro amber idiots are really something else.
No matter what Andrew supposedly said, domestic violence is not on, not at all.
Garry/ Matt/ Andrew, that there shows the world, that it’s amber with the issues not the men she beat.
I bet her moronic brother has felt the wrath of amber.
If it were Andrew doing that to amber, you’d be shouting from the roof tops for him to be in jail ( and quite rightly ) you and that idiot Abra are making excuses to justify ambers behaviour.
She’s just a violent drug taking felon.
No wonder her daughter refuses to see amber and when she does it’s supervised.
The times she did have Leah, she took her for adult girlie days out.
Never mom and daughter fun child appropriate days out.
You amber supporters should hang your heads in shame, it says a lot about the people that you are.
First off, I am not an idiot. And secondly I do not support what Amber did. It was abuse, plain and simple.
While someone may not recall something that happened when they were one (a toddler, not an infant btw), that doesn’t mean it doesn’t impact them. What James experiences in these early years shapes the person he will become on so many levels. If his mother screams and abuses his father in front of him all the time he will be absorbing that and reacting to that. Toddlers are extremely observant and really deeply absorb their surroundings.
Ava, maybe you can write to Amber next year when she has her inmate number at Indiana Department of Corrections? After these tapes and her prior felony convictions, she is finished and it doesn’t matter how expensive her attorneys cost.
Not verbal abuse….okayyyyy lady
What is wrong with you people? This is not okay she literally admitted to beating Gary the same way. So everybody is provoking her and she is just innocent? I don’t understand how people justify this. There is a child present.
Wow. Read a book. Learn something
Maybe he thought she was just hangry. Can’t blame a guy for trying. ????
Threatening to stab someone, hit them, punch them, etc. isn’t verbal abuse? That’s news to me. Hell, she even admitted to punching him and said she didn’t regret it. She also said that Gary also deserved to be hit.
Does anyone recall if MTV aired footage of Leah’s first day? I seem to recall a clip of Gary saying “you’ve got something there” but can’t trust my memory
First day of what?
If you meant “first day of school”. The answer is yes they did film it (at least from the parking lot). And the “something there” was Amber. She had actually came to one of Leah’s first days (which if memory serves me correctly was the first time that that had ever happened).
I take it all back.
While my husband and I have had some screaming matches, we were never abusive verbally or physically with one another. For transparency purposes, I may have called him an asshole in our dating years.
Amber, you definitely need help. You are sooooooooo wrong. You need to humble yourself and admit that what you are is an abuser. I don’t care if you were provoked. You lost your shit and you need to be held accountable.
You are wrong. And I am ashamed that I rallied behind you.
same. i really believed andrew was full of it and trying to drag her name in the mud. this whole thing is super sad.
well I guess the truth is out. Who didn’t see this coming. Once Amber went off on video tape at Jenelle Evans, I thought that she proved herself either mentally unstable or back on drugs. She needs help fast. She’s a ticking time bomb….and ANY OF THE OTHER TEEN MOMS WHO SUPPORT HER AT THIS POINT, should be ashamed of themselves. IF Andrew had done this to Amber – the world would be screaming in horror. If there is anyone in the court system with a brain – they will NEVER give custody to that woman.
This is horrifying! This woman is the worst human ever! She treats that man so awful, it is so shocking you think it isn’t real.
Yes, this is horrifying. But I wouldn’t go as to say she is “the worst human ever”. What about murderers, theives, pedophiles etc.?
I yell and spank at my niece and nephew all the time when they misbehave that “there’s more where that came from if you don’t straighten up”. That doesn’t make me a bad person, but I get tired of their bs sometimes.
I’m just saying, there are people (like me) who don’t intend to cause physically harm and people (like Amber) who obviously mean to cause harm.
I dare you to “spank” an adult and see what happens. Here’s a clue, it’s called assault.
Do you also hit adults when they aggravate you, or just innocent children who don’t understand why you are hurting them? This is where abuse starts- teaching children to associate someone causing them physical pain with “discipline” them. You teach them that you get people to listen to you and to do what you want by harming them instead of having PRODUCTIVE conversations. So sad!!
I don’t, I spank. But difference. And it won’t result in abusive if the person explains why you are spanking them.
So you justify the abuse and that’s ok???! Then in your opinion, how is it different than what Amber is doing. She’s telling Andrew why she’s beating the shit out of him so does that make it ok then because she’s explaining to him why she’s doing it. ???
It’s not alright to hit, but spanking is different. There is not as much behind a spanking as long as the person giving the spanking is in control of their emotions.
They aren’t even YOUR children you are abusing-yes, I said it, abuse. It’s clear you see nothing wrong with raising your hand to a child, a child that isn’t even your child (not that doing so to your ow child is any better).
You are like my son’s one aunt who thought HE was being bad because HE was a bad kid. You are the kind of person partially responsible for the shit my kid has to go through.
You’re absolutely disgusting and if I were your family member and found out you were hitting MY child, you can bet your sweet ass I would not stand for that. Unlike you, though, I wouldn’t come beat your ass for your bad behavior, I’d let you suffer the actual consequences of being a child abuser-even if it’s a short jail sentence (in my state, it would be, not all states are the same) and probation, you would be made a mockery, and everyone you do know would also know you’re an abuser. Then you can suffer the social consequences of being a child abuser.
Hitting others when they do things you don’t like is wrong, it doesn’t matter what their age. You’re not defending someone’s honor when you spank a child, you’re not a white knight protecting the innocent from that wretched juvenile creature. I mean, wtf, really?
☝ This ???
That was meant as a reply to Penny. Spanking=hitting when you spank a child you are teaching them that hitting someone when they misbehave is how you correct a situation.
It teaches that if talking first doesn’t work then yes it is okay to SPANK.
Seriously? And you brag about it? I don’t think violence solves anything. Clearly you don’t know how to talk to kids.
I would talk to them first and if that didn’t work, then I would spank. But you’d be happy to know that they are now well-rounded, better behaved young adults and I atone that to how they are raised.
Hun if my brother spanked my daughter (as you state you do to your niece) I would beat his ass for laying a hand on my child. You might as well condone hitting another adult, or your child hitting another child because, “they didn’t listen at first when I tried speaking to them”. YOU are the problem. You are the type of person who raises bullies and kids who hit.
Well that shit ain’t a fair fight. At least wait until they’re bigger so they can fight back.
Seriously, don’t hit anyone unless you’re being attacked. Otherwise you’re just a person who can’t control themselves.
Hitting is different than spanking. When you are spanking a child, you are the one in authority. It teaches them discipline and restraint, and if the child is taught correctly they grow up to know the difference. If they grow up to NOT know the difference, then the parent didn’t do they’re job.
Spanking, if done properly, is completely different that abuse. Fist and foremost, the child needs to have a clear understanding of why they’re being spanked and they need reassuring that you love them, but that they were warned and went too far. I’m you aren’t slapping your niece and nephew around and calling them fat and stupid, or at least I hope you’re not.
*FIRST, not fist. Fists definitely shouldn’t be used on children. That was an unfortunate typo….
No, it is strictly only spankings. And it is only done when they misbehave (and as a last resort when talking to them doesn’t work). I thank you for not judging me.
@Magan, your words are understanding, nonjudgemental and VERY MUCH APPRECIATED!!!
Says one of the most judgmental people on this site.
Hypocrite ??♀️
This is nonsense. Explaining to a child why you are smacking their butt doesn’t somehow make smacking not abusive. You can’t just hit people any time you think they are doing something wrong and have it be okay because you explained it to them. Seriously try doing that to an adult. Smack them and explain why you smacked them. You will be arrested for assault because explaining it DOESN’T MAKE IT NOT ABUSE.
I was spanked as a child when needed and I’ve been on the recieving end of a lot of abuse as an adult, and I can say that the tow were completely different to me.
On the rare occasions that I was spanked, because I was a well-behaved child, I knew that I had done wrong and that I was being punished, but that I was still loved.
When I was beat as an adult for anything and everything, I had no idea why or how to make him stop doing it, because there was no rhyme or reason for it. I also never knew how far it was going to go and if that time was going to be the time I had to go to the hospital or die. I never wondered anything like that when being spanked as a child.
I spank my children as a last resort, usually when whatever they’re doing can hurt them or somebody else and I know they know better. Running towards a busy road, for instance, or repeatedly trying flip the baby out of his seat.
I don’t consider that abuse, nor does the State of Alabama.
That being said, it’s your choice not to spank your own children, and I’m not sure why Abra is so hell-bent on defending her actions so long as they were within the legal limits of her state.
I am so sorry that you were abused by that man. You didn’t deserve that – no one does. But even if he had been calm and had given specific reasons for his abuse to you it still would have been abuse. It would have been more systematic and less random, but still abuse. See what I mean? Personally I wouldn’t use the state of Alabama as a morality barometer.
Antonio.
you could say the same, about west vaginia, and Kentucky being a morality barometer, yall know them are some backwards racist places.
You physically and verbally abuse and assault children, and you still want people to believe you’re a good person?
How about we let someone do that to you, and give you no recourse, EVERY time you do something wrong.
You don’t teach someone manners, how to be respectful of themselves and others, how to behave, by doing the exact things you never want them to do. How does that even make a lick of sense in your head?
Spanking is still hitting, you can call it whatever the hell you want, if you have to justify raising your hand to a CHILD, you already know it’s wrong.
You don’t need anyone else telling you it’s wrong, your conscience is already telling you that-hence all your justifications. If it was perfectly fine, you wouldn’t need t make up excuses for why you do it.
Again…spanking is not assault or abuse. There is nothing wrong with swatting the bottom with an open hand and time or two. A spanking does in fact teach manners and respect. It teaches them that you THE ADULT are in charge and will not be walked over. And it should only be used if or when the child repeatedly disobeys after a stern sit down and talk.
And furthermore, if after they reach adulthood and still haven’t learned there lesson, it is on them. They will have reap the consequences of their actions in the real world.
I hope the next time you do anything wrong at all, some ADULT decides they are in charge of everything you do, comes along and spanks you, repeatedly, for it…and I don’t mean in the bedroom.
Would you accept that as perfectly acceptable punishment for your misdeeds-no matter how big or small?
If not, then don’t use it on people whoa re not only younger than you, but also smaller, and have literally NO recourse when you do inevitably hurt them. The entire intention of spanking is to induce some amount of harm.
You’re really messed up in the head, and the more you justify it, the more I fear for any child ever in your presence. What’s to stop you from hitting too hard, hitting when it’s not an appropriate response (on your part), causing irreparable psychological, emotional, even physical harm?
When we know better, we do better, and we ALL now know precisely how damaging using physical violence (it is, by the very definition, regardless of how “hard” you hit) can actually be. All that aside, it’s also literally been proven to be 100% ineffective. Justify it all you want, child abuser.
You really do keep on and on.
Wow you spank your nephew and niece!!!!!
What gives you that right??
It’s their parents job to discipline their kids, not you, I bet those kids are afraid of you, no wonder you team Amber.
A pair of bullies who think hitting is ok.
Their parents give me that right. When they are in my care, I’m in charge.
And it’s quite the opposite, they love and respect me.
As a matter of fact, the nephew (who is 16) calls me everyday after school to see how I am and if I want him to pick up anything (groceries, meds, etc.) on his way home.
Prob afraid you’ll beat his ass, if he doesn’t ask you.
Poor kids with patents and an aunt like you.
I never lay a hand on my siblings kids, wow
You and your family choose a different approach. Me and my family talk first and if that doesn’t work we spank. Spank not hit. We know how to not cross the line from spanking to abuse.
But it’s okay that we’re different. “Different strokes for different folks”
Jesus, lighten up people.
bye Abra, I’m done talking to DV supporters
Good @kail&leahkissinginthesea. All I did was make a comment and you replied.
I don’t support Amber (or what she did). There is a fine line between spanking and abuse. A spanking is not abuse (in my opinion).
But like I said earlier “different strokes for different folks”. I think and act differently than other. Oh well.
Bye bye
Piss off abra/bri/ Lilian / Hannah, do you think posters on here are as stupid as you are.
It’s about time the Ashley blocked you.
Your a lunatic work multiple id’s on this site.
You can change your name all you Want, but the pic stays the same, your obsessed with this site
Yep you commented so I replied.
Adios idiota
I find spanking to be a funny topic. You have these crybabies whining how it’s a “bad” thing but as an adult spanking is a legit kink. So obviously it’s not bad.
Kids are annoying as fuck. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to put them in line. You got my full support.
Amen!!! Thank you very much.
Amen. Thank you very much.
Your logic here is that because spanking is an adult kink it’s also a reasonable discipline measure for little kids? Yeesh.
You spank kids that aren’t even yours? I bet they hate you.
No, they love and respect me. They realize that any adult they are in the care of is the authority figure and that what is done is done OUT OF LOVE!!! They do not feel abused in the least and know that their discipline is done for their own good. And now that they are older, they thank us for all our Tough Love lessons.
You can command love and respect from kids without spanking them. I do it with my own kids..I don’t hit them, and trust me, they love and respect me.
I don’t spank them out of love because I want them to internalize that it’s not appropriate to cause other people physical pain just because they don’t do what you want – even if you have authority over them.
If I am trying to teach a young human that hitting isn’t okay and fighting isn’t okay, how do I accomplish that while hitting them myself?
For the thousandth time, hitting and spanking are completely different. If you spank with excessive force, then yes that is abuse. But there is nothing wrong with swatting the bottom a time or two to get your point across (if talking to them first doesn’t work).
Yes I agree that there is a line between discipline and abuse but if you have the willpower it takes to not cross that line, it doesn’t matter what methods you use to raise a child.
I hate to break it to you Abra, but spanking is a form of hitting. That’s why people use the words interchangeably.
What I’m saying is not that spanking is abuse (I never stated that and I don’t think it is when used properly), what I’m saying is it’s an unnecessary form of discipline. You can achieve exactly the same outcome without spanking. So if you can, then why would you spank? Spanking causes physical pain to a child…why do you prefer to do that?
My family and I try talking first and if that doesn’t work, then and only then we spank. And I am not talking about unnecessarily smacking them around, throwing a shoe at them or chasing them with machetes. I am literally only talking about one (maybe??) two on the bottom with an open hand (and very little force).
I don’t prefer it, but as a last resort sometimes it has to he done.
Strange isn’t it all these new posters, are team amber/team bully.
Most likely one of ambers friends or that dickead Brother If hers, La79i agree with your comments, that Ava and Abra are just trolls, who hit little kids
@Hannah/Lilian/abra/bri.
You must have a screw loose, the amount of abusive comments you’ve put on various articles, under god knows how many other alias’s, is extremely telling about the person you are.
Your an obsessive bunny boiling narcissist.
Seriously get a life, get out of the basement and stop with the nasty comments to those that do not agree with you, on other posts you’ve told people to drop dead.
Called them all kinds of names, no wonder you are team amber, because your both verbally abusive, crazy excuses for humans.
Amber – You are of the dregs of society and deserve all this shitstorm that you’re in, and I hope you rot for in gel for the maximum, B!TCH.
Any word from MTV yet???
WOW!!!! There’s really something wrong with her!!! They need to up her meds or something.
That wont help if she is not taking them. She admitted to skipping her meds so she could drink
MTV. You have to fire her. Why tf have you not done so already???? This is sickening.
Bet Gary, Cate and all the rest who showed up in court recently to “show support” for Amber are really regretting it. Expecting a lot of public back-pedaling in the weeks to come. Cate will be back in rehab since she has one less place to run to in order to avoid her brood at home.
Cate uses her mental health places like Butch uses rehabs. It’s a place to go to rest up, eat some good food, relax, ect…..Then return home and relapse into old behaviors.
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As much as I like Teen Mom it’s time to cancel the show!
If the role was reversed, and it was Andrew who verbally and physically assaulted Amber, MTV would have fired him immediately and he would likely be sitting in county jail, awaiting a trial. So why does Amber get away with this crap? She is a horrible, abusive, trashy person, and her actions are going to have terrible and long lasting effects on both of her children. At this point, it’s not about her mental health; she is a genuinely bad person. If she really thinks all of this is being caused by her disorders, then why hasn’t she sought active treatment to help her learn how to manage her extreme anger? Instead, in the typical fashion of an abuser, she blames her victim for her issues. She belongs behind bars, far away from James and Leah!
This just keeps getting worse and worse. I am so disgusted at the fact that she claims he kept running his mouth. I didn’t know speaking justified being hit. I wish someone would knock some sense in her literally. She is a disgusting bully who like everyone else here is saying if she was a man would of been dragged through the dirt. There is no excuse and I am tired of these audios being leaked because it really is sad and horrible to know that Leah must be hearing this too and one day James will as well. Idk how she could ever come back from this but I pray everyone involved truly has these kids best interest at heart because they deserve to feel nothing but love and security especially in these trying moments. Because of amber these children will need life long therapy. I pray she gets locked up in a cage with a muzzle!
Imagine if David or Bar from Y&P had done this. Amber needs to go to jail. Until that happens…No hug circles. No Dr. Drew. No anger management classes. No more medication. SHE. NEEDS. TO. GO. TO. PRISON.
I agree, but she needs Prison AND medication!
Such a double standard. If it were a man hitting a woman, there would be quick and stiff consequences. But since it’s a woman, MTV is dragging their feet. She would be fired. Period. There shouldn’t be a high salary reward for her behavior
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I dont understand why amber still on teen mom. I know if it was a guy hitting a girl not only he would be fired from teen mom. But arreated.l think thats b/s.fire her a..
Leah has heard plenty of Amber’s verbal abuse from Amber towards her father. Thank God she’s not raising her.
By next year at this time she will be back in the same Indiana State Prison she was before. The whole “she just needs mental illness help” crowd need to realize that she is beyond that. She is a violent offender who needs prison.
Exactly. I don’t think anyone would be saying it’s because of mental illness if she were a man. She is an abuser and there’s no excuse.
It sounds like viewers need to boycott sponsors just like with David and Jenelle, so MTV loses money, then they’ll do something! Amber’s entitled behavior shows she has no remorse for her actions. She lied on the reunion when she said what she did, and see’s nothing wrong with her actions. She’s going to keep using her mental illness as a crutch, and therefore give people that do take their med’s and act rationally a bad name! She needs consequences for her actions, and go work a normal job now! She has custody of either of her children, so its time for MTV to cut her loose!
Boycott the sponsors. Just like w/ lil’Nogget
Who are the sponsors??
We all need to boycott
I just can’t.
Lots of people talk about the double standard in domestic violence. Let’s summarize.
A guy who thinks using violent speech and actions makes him a real man.
A guy who routinely calls his girlfriend a fat bitch, an ugly slut, that he’s too good for her, that she deserves to be treated the way she is because she doesn’t deserve him and she’s lucky he sticks around.
A guy who beats his girlfriend because she was running her mouth. Says she deserved it because she should know better than to disrespect him.
How would you all feel about this guy? How would you feel about the the girl who stays with him because she has no local support network and has been so beaten down that she forgot she deserves better?
And leaving means that he would have unsupervised access to her baby, and her abusive boyfriend would use the baby to punish her for leaving. And everyone believes him over her, and everybody supports him. So she knows she will need proof of the abuse to get her and her baby out of the situation.
Amber is that guy in this story.
It’s a pity that you have to dumb it down for ignorant people in the peanut gallery. And for Bubby Amber know about the cameras in the house and still was a violent bully , maybe shawn has an abusive streak and thus why he is defending her hard.
Wish I could give this a thumbs up a million times! Apparently it’s ok to fire David, to condemn Adam and Rhiine for their behavior, but when it comes to females it’s a whole other story.
I’m not surprised though, let’s not forget how everyone reacted when the episode aired where Kail hit Javi. It was brushed off like nothing happened. And when Dr. Drew questioned Kail about it she bacame aggressive and told him she doesn’t wanna talk about it so he conveniently dropped the subject.
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When is enough of this behavior going to be enough for Amber to be fired and then she can be institutionalized for her mental health issues. Baby James has been subjected to that for a while. His mom swearing at his father and hitting him and even throwing things while he was being held by his dad. MTV shoe are disgusting to keep her on the show. Andrew needs to take James and be far from her. Amber desperately needs mental health.
For all the people fortunate enough to never have had an Amber-like abuser in your life, “running your mouth” means “not agreeing with every stupid statement that exits their mouth.”
Props to the blogger for pointing out that this behavior is abuse and not mental illness.
Exactly
And how she is able to turn it off & on so people wont know is a clear indicatiob, for her being concerned about what people will say/think makes it obvious that it is not caused my a mental issue
EXACTLY.
I’ve worked in crisis intervention with law enforcement for many years- and I can tell you that the mentally ill people who have committed acts of violence, they don’t suddenly turn it off when people are around or cameras are out- if they are truly unable to control themselves due to mental illness… They don’t have any control. They will swing on cops, EMTs, friends and family alike- because they truly can’t help it.
Mental illness can be the reason why she gets so irrationally angry- but it didn’t make her hit anyone. That’s a bullshit excuse and it’s WELL past time she be held responsible.
Remember when ambien got arrested in july and was crying and said “it wasn’t even a bad fight all I did was hit him with a flip flop” now it makes since because from what she is use to doing to him was so much worse.that was probably just the straw that broke the camel’s back..
What a nasty, unattractive girl. I mean girl too. A woman can control herself and most definitely keep her hands to herself. Good luck with whatever time you allot yourself on this earth.
On that show, they had cameras in the house. On the day that Matt left, Amber was pursuing Andrew. She was trying to sound all sexy and seductive, and telling him that she would find out his name… It was really nauseating!
I would love to hear Dr Drew’s take on all this! He’s been quiet.
He’s a pussy! Useless as a therapist. Softball questions, never holding the girls accountable! He has done nothing but coddle these women for years!
He probably cant make any comments because he is under contract.
MTV is scrambling right now…how can we make money off of this. There has to be a way to turn this into MONEY.
MTV will offer to pay for treatment (i heard before the tapes came out she declined treatment because this was all a set up & she is fine).
Maybe if it is a choice between losing her job or treatment she will choose treatment. Anything to avoid getting a real job & being forced to leave her couch
Well, she was given the choice treatment or gel back when she abused Gary and chose gel which in turn led to the end of this shit show until she was released. If she was willing to go to gel instead of treatment the first time, I doubt she will choose to go to rehab now. And the fact she is refusing treatment again is further proof she hasn’t changed one bit. I am really hoping that what happened when she chose gel the first time will happen again. CANCEL THIS SHITSHOW FIRE AMBER BOYCOTT MTV
Oh geez.. the plot thickens
How horrible for Leah and future James to be able to hear these things. Gary needs to seek full custody without visitation for amber. He will easily win. Leah will be better off without amber in and out of her life. These recordings are just sickening. I feel so so bad for Leah, I can’t even imagine what kids at school may say to her about her mother. God really is watching over Leah by giving her a mother like Kristina in her life.
He should have been fired, but I do understand a tweet is not where near the severity of the violence she is displaying and in front of a child. I used to love the show but at this point they should shut this shit show down. between homophobic rants, killing dogs terrorizing children, abuse in several situations, drug use and neglect… this is no longer worth running.
The worst part is that if this had been a man he’d be in jail by now, rightly so where as she is acting like its not big deal with her brother and people blaming her mental health. She has ll the resources you could imagine to get help and chooses to abuse him and in front of her son. Jail will be the best thing for her. Gary needs to distance himself his wife and children from her too.
When my cousin was going through her domestic violence situation, she was told by her counselor AS WELL AS a cop that had responded to one of her many calls, that she must document the abuse! Documentation can be in the form of diaries, journals, AND taping incidents of DV. If you are going to accuse someone of a crime you need to bring receipts! You need proof! So now he has proof of verbal abuse, physical abuse, death threats and child abuse! Good work Andrew.
I have a certification in Victims Advocacy and I cannot tell you how many times cases get nowhere because the victim has no proof of anything and it becomes a he said she said situation. No pics, no video, no journals with any dates or details.
Journals is not necessarily “proof” but it does help the victims case because the accused can be questioned about each and every incident cited in the journal.
He absolutely did the right thing. Ok so on the tape, he’s behaving. He’s not yelling or cursing her out. BUT SHES STILL GOING CRAZY! So can you imagine if he was yelling back at her? That’s what the courts will consider. They’ll say “this guy knows the tape is recording him, so he’s being calm and she’s STILL out of control “
C’mon Blubby. It’s not looking any better. What do you have to say this time Bubbs? She sealed her own fate here.
I would actually get anxious every time amber and Andrew appeared on the screen. It seemed like every thing that he said annoyed her. She always seemed as if she was right at the edge. You could see all over her face that she was holding back because of the cameras. Especially car scenes. Probably because it was just cameras, no producers or cameramen the term “ticking time bomb” was created just for her. I really do feel sorry for Andrew. Can u imagine the dreaded feeling he’d have when Ambeast wakes up? OMG, I don’t think I’d ever be home. I’d find any excuse to get myself and James out of the house.