Tyler Baltierra and Catelynn Lowell have been very outspoken about their unhappiness with Brandon and Teresa Davis— the parents of Cate and Ty’s bio daughter Carly— ever since Brandon and Teresa cut off contact with them last year. In a new sneak peek clip of Thursday’s episode of Teen Mom: The Next Chapter, Catelynn and Tyler’s co-star Gary Shirley hints that the couple’s frequent discussions about Brandon and Teresa online and on the show may be the reason the couple cut them off.
While meeting up with the other ‘Teen Mom’ cast members in New York in January, Tyler talks to Gary— as well as Maci Bookout‘s son Bentley Edwards— about his strained relationship with Carly’s parents. After Tyler tells the guys that he and Cate have no idea why Brandon and Teresa chose to cut off communication with them, and that he’s not sure if it’s Carly or her parents wanting contact ceased, Gary suggests that it may be something Tyler and Cate have done— namely publicly criticizing Brandon and Teresa— that caused the relationship to be severed.
“They’re doing their own thing,” Tyler told Bentley and Gary after Bentley asked if Ty got to see Carly a lot. “They cut contact.”
“Is it the parents that are doing it, or is it Carly?” Gary asked.
“We don’t know, they won’t answer me,” Tyler replied. “Why would you not answer me? It’s such a weird thing. Adults communicate.”
Gary suggested that Brandon and Teresa may be trying to protect Carly by cutting off Cate and Ty so Carly doesn’t have to. He then asked Tyler to reflect on anything that he and Cate may have done to sour the relationship they had with Carly’s parents.
Gary— who has his own drama with his baby mama Amber Portwood, whom their daughter Leah is currently estranged from— stated that Leah gets upset when her mom talks about her online, suggesting that the same may be true for Brandon and Teresa when Ty and Cate criticize them publicly.
“There’s certain things that does bother Leah,” Gary said. “Like, she gets kind of embarrassed, if you think about some of the things that Amber says [about her]….I’m not saying that’s the same thing for you.
“The stuff you’ve talked about Brandon and Teresa [on the show and online], is that something that could be kind of rubbing them raw?” Gary asked. “Or could be causing [the rift] or hurting Carly?”
Tyler admitted that he didn’t know if his frequent online criticism of Carly’s parents has had a negative effect on the 15-year-old.
After the clip of Thursday’s episode was posted to the official ‘Teen Mom’ Facebook page, fans commented that Gary is probably right about Brandon and Teresa being mad about how Tyler and Catelynn have spoken about them publicly over the last few years.
“Gary is literally telling him what it is and Tyler’s like, *hair twirl* yeah, I don’t know…” one person wrote in the comment section.
“Yes Gary is spot on!” another person commented. “Carly is a teenager and she probably is embarrassed by what they are doing and saying on social media about her parents!”
“I love how Gary was subtly telling Ty he’s the problem without saying he’s the problem,” someone else wrote.
“Gary out here doing the Lord’s work,” another person commented. “Politely trying to show Ty big old signs that say ‘hellloooo, ya’ll have seen how Amber talking mess about Leah’s parents & talking about her all the time online & in the public bothers her, embarrasses her, stresses her & is a part of the breakdown in that relationship.'”
As The Ashley has previously reported, Catelynn and Tyler have spoken at length on social media lives, on the show and on their Cate & Ty Break It Down! podcast about their adoption situation, criticizing Brandon and Teresa for “taking advantage” of them being so young when they placed Carly for adoption with them. During a recent episode of their podcast, Catelynn and Tyler slammed Brandon and Teresa for being willing to change their initial adoption terms in order to ensure they could adopt Carly.
“I think the whole goal was to get a baby,” Tyler said, adding, “We were kids, listening to the adults around us.”
“There were four people involved in this [adoption] agreement, and two of them were children and two of them were adults,” Tyler added, stating that he feels Brandon and Teresa should have been honest with them and disclosed that they initially wanted a closed adoption, not an open adoption like he and Catelynn wanted.
“The fact that you shifted your desires to get the baby is selfish to me,” Tyler added. “Because I feel like that automatically shows that you weren’t planning on doing what we agreed upon.”
New episodes of ‘Teen Mom: The Next Chapter’ air Thursdays on MTV.
Watch the sneak peek clip of Thursday’s episode below!
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I love Cate and Ty, but… it’s incredibly hard to watch them hurting their child like this. There is no situation where criticizing Brandon and Theresa publicly is good for Carly (while she is still a minor). Save it for a book MUCH later. Not during Carly’s teenage years when you generally want the most privacy. I cannot imagine how confusing and conflicting this could be for Carly knowing that her bio parents are enraged at her adoptive parents. She’s going to feel like she’s disappointing a set of parents either way! Cate and Ty say they want to know if this is Carly’s decision??? WTF…. YOU ARE REPEATING WHAT YOUR OWN PARENTS DID TO YOU BY FORCING ADULT SITUATIONS ON YOU. Good grief. Shut up and make it about your kid!!
They’re hurting their children, not just Carly.
Gary needs to get himself and Leah off the show. The money’s too good i guess. The only responsible one has been Chelsea who quit the show while Aubree was still young. Bentley should have been off the show too. Anyway, Gary is not one to talk.
“Adults communicate.” – they also know when to shut their mouths.
Him saying he doesn’t know if what he says has a negative effect on Carly, once again proving their immaturity. Maturity is If pausing to think about what you’re saying before, and run through the potential impact it’s going to have. Instead they just act on impulse and feeling…like children.
Gary right and add in Tyler on onlyfans selling pictures of his tiny penis surely doesn’t help. Try getting real job instead of taking easy way out. Wouldn’t want my kid anywhere near him
Oh gross! Their lifestyle choices suck as well as their way of making money…good grief. Three daughters at home that will at some point be ridiculed and teased for Tyler’s porn. I’d have more respect for him if he drove an Uber or worked at Costco. No wonder B&T are pulling back from allowing visits, etc…poor kid probably gets crap at school from other kids about this…very embarassing for a girl that age. But Cate and Tyler only care about their own selfish needs.
From what I have seen C&T have repeatedly said that Brandon and Teresa are good parents and have raised Carly well. Their issue and what they criticize is Brandon and Teresa not sticking to the terms of the adoption agreement that they made together. That criticism is very much valid and Tyler is correct in that they were kids while B&T were adults in their mid to late 30s. They should have known that they couldn’t handle an open adoption.
Also, I just want to add. It pisses me off the way Brandon and Teresa are coddled by everyone and it’s always about their feelings and them being okay. Tyler and Catelynn were kids and Carly herself is a teenager. Kids feelings should ALWAYS be more important than the adults. It honestly doesn’t even matter how B&T feel about C&T. The only person whose feelings should be considered is Carly. I don’t care if B&T are hurt by C&T. If Carly wants to see her biological family, then she should be allowed to. If she doesn’t want to see them then they should be told so they stop asking. She should be the only one whose opinion matters. At the end of the day it is her life and she should get to choose who is in it. She is almost 16 and knows what she wants. It is very childish for B&T to refuse to give an explanation for cutting contact.
April and Butch were straight and screaming and yelling, fighting, and actively showing how unhappy they were with the adoption. Tyler and Cate HAD adults they loved telling them not to do it. Also, the “they were kids” line is getting so old. What BETTER people is there to possibly help adopt out a child, than those who are still children themselves?! Like come on. Nobody took advantage of them. They were more level headed and wise for their age than they seem to be even now! Carly is exactly where she was meant to be, and Cate and Tyler need to let it go.
Also let me add, you think Cate and Tyler were too young to adopt out their child, at 16, but Carly also at 16, should be allowed to go over her parents head to choose to talk to the people who gave her up? Make it make sense. This is a HUGE thing for a young girl to carry. And she doesn’t even get to carry it in privacy. These clowns won’t shut up about it and want to shout to the whole world about how horrible the parents she loves SO MUCH, supposedly are. It’s twisted. It’s weird. It’s giving obsessive and controlling.
I never said she should go over her parents head to talk to C&T. If C&T were old enough to place her for adoption at 16, then Carly is old enough to decide what kind of relationship she wants to have with them. She is old enough that it shouldn’t be B&Ts decision anymore. Also, if Carly made the decision to have no contract, I do think B&T owe it to C&T to tell them that and ask them to keep it private. They have said multiple times that they would respect that.
Carly IS the child of B&T. They have been there, raised her, loved her, protected her, provided for her, etc SINCE DAY ONE. C&T are complete strangers. This has all gone so far past weird and creepy.
So Catelynn and Tyler were old enough to place their child for adoption. They should have known what they were signing and the consequences of their decision. Yet Carly isn’t old enough to decide if she wants her adoptive parents to stick to the adoption agreement made when she was born? Interesting. For the record, Tyler’s mom(the only stable and non addicted adult in their life) was very much pushing for adoption. She was the only source of stability and she wouldn’t help them.
They’re not the same things. Putting a child you can’t take care of, with no safe place to raise, up for adoption with a family who is clearly good and pure, is a no brained. They did the best thing for Carly. But a girl with parents who love her, who they GAVE AWAY, should be left to grow and enjoy her life. It’s like rubbing salt in a wound. They are sick.
Good and pure? Wtf does that mean??
It’s okay, you don’t have to say it. It’s a classist/racist dog whistle meaning wealthy and white. That’s what it all comes down to doesn’t it? Classism. Catelynn and Tyler should just leave Carly alone with her wealthy parents because they’re just poor white trash, right? Being around them and their kids will only bring her down, right?
Yes they originally wanted a closed adoption. Then they agreed to open although it was never really open. I think it’s fine tyler and cait are bringing this up. It happens all the time adoptive parents back out of open adoption agreements. I am an adoptee and am very familiar with this in adopteeland.
If C&T truly understood and appreciated how traumatic adoption is for adoptees, they wouldn’t be trying to force Carly to air it all out in public
Oh I’m so sure Tyler 🙄
The open adoption agreement was honoured for 15 years.
In fact, B and T went above and beyond by giving Cate and Ty their address and phone number when the agreement specified communication through the agency. B and T still have an open adoption relationship with their son’s bio mother.
All signs point to the problem being Cate and Ty.
Cate and Tyler have been given many explanations many times. We all know that Brandon and Theresa repeatedly asked for privacy, for any communication to remain private, for Carly not to be featured as a storyline, etc. We also know that Cate and Tyler haves lashed out publicly for over 8-9 years at this point and have refused to respect their privacy. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows why Brandon and Theresa have now just stopped communicating at all. People are only going to tolerate your lack of respect for so long before they throw their hands up.
Even here, Gary is telling Tyler what we ALL know and Tyler still refuses to accept it.
The “original adoption agreement” made it very clear that Brandon and Theresa are the parents and they get to decide what is in Carly’s best interest. They get to decide when the open adoption no longer serves Carly. And if Carly is the one behind this decision, it is their job to protect her from Cate and Tyler’s inevitable public lashing.
And Cate and Tyler just accused Brandon and Theresa of exploiting Carly a few weeks ago (over a travel reimbursement FFS), so they have completely lost the plot. They have criticized their parenting before too. These two will do and say anything to keep the money coming in.
I feel like even IF Carly DID come out and public say “I want to step back, I don’t want to have any communication right now AND it HURTS ME when you speak about me and my parents”, they wouldn’t want to believe it. EVEN if she said it, Tyler and Cate would then move to “Oh, no, that isn’t HER speaking, it isn’t REALLY how she feels. It’s Brandon and Teresa putting things in her head!” Who knows how Carly feels right now, but the constant back and forth isn’t forcing Brandon and Teresa’s hand, it’s just digging a bigger hole for Ty and Cate. At this point even if Carly WANTS to communicate, she may not do so until she is much MUCH older just because of all this mess now.
I find it ridiculous that they cannot accept the decision they made over 15 years ago. They have 3 more children and obviously are not responsible. I wonder how much they have spent on all their tattoos?! It isn’t cheap yet they choose to glorify their bodies with them. And rant on how they were cheated through the adoption. They were foolish enough to bring a child into the world when they were still kids…and feel she was stolen by the couple who adopted her. Good god. Grow up. Be grateful she is loved and has a real chance for a great life. Think of your other 3 children…grow up and get real jobs and concentrate on the 3 you are responsible for!
YES YES and YES!!!!! This is exactly why this show needs to end. These “Teen” Moms and Dads have never moved on to being adults. With the exception of Maci, none of the others have gone to college. None have jobs. Cate and Tyler are not thinking about Carly….only about themselves. I’ve raised teenagers…I can only imagine how embarassing and upsetting it is to Carly to see or hear about her birth parents lashing out time and time again about her adoptive parents. As far as I’m concerned B & T have been incredibly generous with Carly. But with Cate and Tyler it’s never enough…they have an entitlement attitude. Leave Carly alone and allow her to live her life as normally as possible. You’re embarassing her and actually infringing on her privacy. If I were B&T I would have gotten a restraining order or a cease and desist months ago. As for Leah…it’s time to take her off the show Gary. She clearly is struggling with being Amber’s daughter.
Gary is able to see if from a different POV, bc of Leah’s experience with Amber. It’s too bad Tyler can’t see it
Gary telling him plain and simple that him and Catelynn are the issue and Tyler still can’t grasp it.
“Grown-ups communicate.” No, shit, Ty. That’s what they were doing for FIFTEEN YEARS by setting boundaries y’all continously ignored, yet they kept trying. Grown-ups also go to work and don’t spend every waking second causing online drama, but you and Cate didn’t get that memo.
I stopped watching a long time ago, stupidity is horrifying. I will admit I read these articles and others, it’s like a sad addiction. So, let me tell you I’m old, married 50 years to same man, adult progressive happy children & grandchildren, retired. I’ve actually “seen a lot” I know it’s a reality show, they get paid by time on screen. They have more money then I ever will. If there Is any truth to anything filmed, Gary is correct. Adoption is part of our family so some experience there too. I feel sorry for all those kids, everyone of them has at least 1nutjob parent. Stop criticizing/ arguing each other’s opinions.
“gRoWN-uPS cOmMuNiCAtE”
Lol. Get over yourself.
When is Tyler going to realize that not talking to you is their way of communicating. They don’t want to talk to you, they don’t want to fix the relationship, they want complete No Contact.
Gary is spoon-feeding him, and still he’s not getting it.
Also, why is Bentley part of this conversation, this is not his place, this not okay, Maci has completely pawned off her job on to Bentley.
“gRoWN-uPS cOmMuNiCAtE”
And sometimes, Tyler, grown-ups recognize that the communication isn’t going to be productive and so they choose to disengage rather than continue making requests to two adults who are mentally stuck at 16 years old.
He is exhausting in his refusal to consider the other side of this situation.
Deer heavens it took Gary to explain it to him! Tyler is such a dolt! Of course, putting the parents of the child you gave up for adoption on blast publicly was going to sour their relationship with you and cause embarrassment, anxiety and stress for a minor child!!! You’d think being a father of young children, married to someone who struggles with their mental health, wouldn’t need someone to point it out to him. I swear the man has the IQ and emotional intelligence of an untoasted Pop Tart
C&T think they’re the only ones who experience anxiety
I’ve always liked Gary. He wasn’t perfect, of course, none of us are. But he was always one of the good ones, if you ask me. This only solidifies that for me.
I agree for the most part, but I didn’t like how he used to gaslight Amber, push her buttons and then do that little smirk. Not that she’s not a piece of shit, but I just hate those snake-like manipulative people…but as a Dad, yes, one of the best ones!
So he was young once upon a time just like any of us was. He was in a really tough relationship with a really unstable woman who was very mentally abusive toward him. It’s hard to expect him to always be the perfect man. He’s human. He loved Amber and he tried very hard to be there for her, to help her. She was just too much of a mess and it wasn’t his job to fix her. He grew up and treated her way better. People make mistakes.
True dat. It just used to irk me when he did that, it reminded me too much of my ex. But he is a wonderful father, and he should be proud as hell!
Thank you, Gary!! About time someone on that show told Tyler that he is the problem.
I’m adopted and this makes me sick to my stomach!
Gary is right-I have no doubt they were tired of them always talking about them on SM–they showed no respect for Carly or her parents. If they could have just enjoyed what they had with her–NO CAMERAS–all the kids could have enjoyed getting to spend time together–they just had to keep it on social media every day–they don’t get it!
Is Gary the only voice of reason on this show? And why was Bentley of all people involved in this conversation? 🤨 Seriously, I haven’t watched in years. I just come here and let The Ashley fill me in.
I thought the same thing! Why was this conversation being had with a 16 year old?
Yeah, making Bentley be a part of this is so odd.
“Gary is a hater”
–Tyler, probably, most likely, but definitely said that in his head.
Tyler might want to go back and read his and Cait’s shitty book. They knew what they were getting in the adoption agreement.
i wouldn’t be surprised if catelynn’s that far gone and delusional about the narrative her and tyler created in their heads that gary is now on her sh!t list, like remember how she was towards gary after she found out and tried talking to him about leah wanting to be adopted by kristina
“Why would you not answer me? It’s such a weird thing. Adults communicate“. Tyler, they don’t have to answer you because sadly, you signed a contract that they have every right to enforce. Saying they “changed their narrative “ just to get a baby is ridiculous. Open your eyes Tyler and Caitlyn. They obviously wanted a baby, duh! And now they are doing their job as her parents and protecting her. Yes, narratives can change based on what keeps your kids safe.
Also because every time they communicate with Tyler, Tyler runs to the tabloids to relay everything B&T said
I don’t even like Gary but dang… finally someone amongst that group actually said something. Obviously we know none of it sunk in because Cate and Ty and still running their mouths and throwing tantrums but denial runs deep with those two…
You.. don’t like Gary???
Do you also like amber..?
I’m very surprised. Gary seems like a generally good person. He’s also a DA abuse survivor. Weird
No. Its possible to not be a fan of either.
Right. I’m guessing Gary got a lot of bashing from Amber’s 8 fans. lol.
It’s amazing to me that they have zero self reflection. Gary is a great parent and he really tried with Amber. He’s seen it all. Of course Ty and Cate brush it off as just talk. Idiots.
Who said I was a fan of Amber? Is it not possible to not like either of them? Way to assume…
Amber has her own list of faults(a rather long list) but that doesn’t mean Gary has been innocent. From intentionally goading Amber when they were together to also heavily flirting with Amber while with Kristina ( who I do like and think she’s been the most mature adult out of that entire situation). And yes that was all awhile ago but if Ambers past actions can be held against her -and they should be- so can Gary’s.
Girl, difference is one of those people is a PARENT and grew up, while the other did not.
Sorry Jack err Jace, I must have been typing when you posted your reply…we basically said the same thing
Gary die hards are hilarious. Did I say he hadn’t grown up? Credit where credit is due but Gary is not perfect. And to be clear, that is NOT saying Amber is. Her list of issues and mistreatment of her daughter remain.
Lisa, you seem to think YOU are perfect, well newsflash YOU ARENT, nobody is!!!
In some cases yes it is possible but NOT in this one…in this one you have a parent (Gary) who has been there for his kid since DAY ONE and the other “parent” (Amber) who’s is hardly ever there.
Gary is WAAAAAY better than Amber!!!
Gary was not a day one parent, how many times did he leave Leah with Amber or use her to get at Amber? He’s even admitted to doing this.
Has he been showing up since? Yes, I think in large parts thanks to Kristina and he does get credit for that while Amber occupies her time riding that couch high and random tik tok lives.
So yes it is possible to not really be a fan of either.
Doesn’t make you right Lisa so sthu.
Gary has always wanted Leah to have a relationship with Amber (good parents do that).
Ambers doing the same stuff still. Those crazy rants must hurt Leah. Amber called Leah a “dick” on her bd and then told Leah she makes her “act” this way. That’s gaslighting and it’s abusive. I don’t particularly care if you don’t like Gary. He has been a good father to both girls. I do think he’s much more responsible and mature than he was at first. Amber chased Andrew with a machete or whatever while he was holding her baby. She was screaming about how she didn’t even want him. That’s wasn’t that long ago.
You’re right, Amber has issues and I have never downplayed that, I don’t see how anyone can. I don’t like her anymore than I do Gary.
Like I said before, the person that has been the best constant for Leah is Kristina. Much credit to her for stepping up and putting up with everything from Amber and Gary.
I think the point folks are missing is that you are entitled to your opinion, which you clearly stated and clarified. I don’t agree with it, but I’m annoyed that folks want to challenge you on YOUR opinion. You never said you were fan of Amber, I got that right away. And from our POV, Gary has issues that you explained. Folks need to back off. You opinion is yours.
**from your POV
Your missing OUR point, her opinion is WRONG, and we have every right to point that out
Their opinion on who they like is wrong?? Absolutely not. They stated Gary is a good dad they just don’t like them as a person. Someone is allowed to have that opinion. Other people are allowed to not like someone that you like. This is weird and gross.
Hate to break it to you Sam but it takes a good person to be a good parent…so Gary is BOTH and therefore Lisa is wrong in her opinion that states otherwise
Gary also started dating a 15 year old Amber when he was 19 and she was pregnant at 17 when he was 21. I’m impressed at how he’s grown up but knowing how unstable she was even then gives me an ick about him I can’t fully forget.
Kids will be kids…they make a lot of ick choices.
The FACT is, he’s grown into sn amazing person AND father…nothing bad should be spoken about this MAN who could have let someone take responsibility for HIS KIDS like Rhine Nathan, David or Jace’s dad (I forget his name), all of them are grown ass men but you wouldn’t know it by the way they act.
C&T are absolutely ruining the potential for a shared life with Carly and her parents later on. They’re not thinking. It’s like divorced parents. Do it amicably and you get to share more things in the future together…graduations, marriages, births, holidays. Make it more about your feelings than your child’s and they may not want anything to do with you. Or, at the very best, she does but you’ve injected so much rancor into the situation that Carly is put in the sh*tty position of who to share what with. Every child of a terrible divorce knows what that’s like. Shame on C&T for making this public while she’s still a minor.