Amy Duggar has been making the media rounds since the release of her book, Holy Disrupter, last month. During a recent interview for Melissa Rivers‘ Group Text YouTube show, Amy spoke about all of the rules she would encounter growing up when she went to the Duggar home, where her Uncle Jim Bob and Aunt Michelle kept their 19 kids on a very tight leash.

Amy revealed that the 19 Kids & Counting stars even had rules restricting what words were not to be said in the family’s home. While fans will remember that the pious Duggars never swore or spoke about anything even remotely inappropriate, Amy revealed that negatively was also a no-no in Duggarville.

“You can’t even say, like, ‘I hate tomatoes’ when you were over there. The word ‘hate’ wasn’t allowed!” Amy revealed. “The word ‘dislike’ wasn’t allowed. Nothing was negative there in that home. So [when I was there] I just had to put on a mask that I was happy and shiny and everything is good and happy and lovely.

“…there was just a lot of rules over there,” Amy added.

Later, Amy stated that despite all of the rules, the Duggar kids were “the most happiest children,” probably because they were not aware of what life outside their rule-filled religious bubble could be like. 

“They were making bread, and they were playing chess and there was classical music playing every single day in that home,” she said.

Amy’s statements about the Duggar kids not being allowed to be negative are seemingly backed up by a set of rules that was posted to the official Duggar Family website around 2010. Under “Duggar House Guidelines,” the first rule is that the Duggars were to “always use soft words, even when you don’t feel well.” The rules also stipulated that the Duggars were to always display “joyful attitudes, even if you have been mistreated.” The family was also instructed to “never argue, complain, or blame.”

Amy also talked about her cousin Josh‘s multiple scandals that came out in 2015, including when it was made public that he had molested four of his younger sisters and another young girl when he was a teenager. According to Amy, the Duggars were rocked by the scandal but the family— even Josh’s victims— were expected to “forgive quickly.”

“If something happens in one of these IBLP families, you have to forgive quickly and move on and, honestly, not deal with your hurt because you’re not allowed to go to counseling,” Amy said. “You have to literally talk to someone within the IBLP in order to have any kind of mentor or therapy…but there’s no meat to that conversation. You’re not actually receiving healing. I think they put on a happy, shiny mask. I think they did what they had to do. They had a part to play. They had a character to play. And they did it very well.”

In another recent interview to promote her book, Amy revealed that she once found thousands of X-rated images on a computer that had previously belonged to a then-teenage Josh. She stated that she had told Jim Bob about her findings, but he quickly dismissed it, suggesting that the adult imagery was already on the computer (in a folder named “Josh’s Files” somehow) by the time Josh purchased the computer at a pawn shop.

Years later, it was discovered that Josh had been sending and receiving child sex abuse materials (CSAM) on his work computer. (He is currently in prison for those crimes.)

Amy told Melissa that she wishes she had spoken up more when she found the p0rn all those years ago. (She did clarify, however, that the p0rn on that computer was legal and featured only adults.)

“I absolutely feel terrible that I didn’t press it hard enough to find answers,” she said. “Again, I believed what I was told. There wasn’t anything I could do.”

Despite not having spoken to her Uncle Jim Bob, Aunt Michelle and the bulk majority of her Duggar cousins in years, Amy says she still hopes to mend fences eventually.

“I don’t have any ill feelings towards any of them. I still love them,” she told Melissa. “I say in my book that I wish I could connect with them. I’m here. There’s an open door if they ever need me, you know? But I’m going to share truth in my book. And that’s what I did.”

Click here to watch Amy’s full interview with Melissa Rivers.

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