The defamation lawsuit filed by Kail Lowry against her Teen Mom 2 co-star (and frequent nemesis) Briana DeJesus, marches on. Last week, the depositions of Kail and Briana— which were given in February and March, respectively— were made public, and The Ashley waded through the 400+ pages of legal docs to recap everything Briana confessed to or stated during her deposition. (You can read all the juicy stuff here!)
The Ashley has once again taken one for the nosy team and recapped Kail’s deposition.
As The Ashley previously reported, Briana and Kail and their legal teams have been sparring back and forth regarding questions about Briana’s sexual history, which Briana has refused to answer until the judge promises her answers will be kept confidential. Kail and her legal team, however, have opposed the sex testimony being kept confidential and want it to be a matter of public record.
In Kail’s deposition, she discussed her feud with Briana, as well as accusations that she has been abusive to ex-husband Javi Marroquin, as well as Chris Lopez, whom is at the center of this lawsuit. She also gives her version of “HaircutGate,” in which Chris cut their son Lux’s hair without Kail’s knowledge. He later claimed that Kail hit him because of this.
She was arrested for “offensive touching” against Chris about three weeks later. The lawsuit against Briana came about after Bri went online and accused Kail of “physically beating” Chris as well as breaking and entering into Chris’ mom’s house on that day.
Let’s get to recapping before someone else opens their trap on Instagram Live and The Ashley has to start this recap all over!
On how Kail found out there was a warrant for her arrest, and what happened the night she turned herself in to police:
The deposition begins with basic questions, before Bri’s lawyers asks if Kail has ever been arrested.
“I’m not sure. I have never been handcuffed,” she replied.
She does admit to being charged with the crime of “Offensive Touching,” though.
Kail said she didn’t even know she was in trouble until she got a nighttime phone call informing her that there was an arrest warrant out for her.
“I got a call after an incident, three weeks following the incident saying that there was a warrant and I went down to the police station and turned myself in and then all of the charges were dropped,” Kail explained.
Later in the deposition, Kail describes the night she got that phone call. She stated that she thought it was a joke or prank at first, and so did her attorney.
“We thought it was a prank call, so I didn’t turn myself in right away,” Kail said, adding that when she realized it was real, she turned herself in the next day.
As for what happened on the day she turned herself in to police, Kail said, “they booked me, I guess it’s called, and I put my fingerprints in and they put me in a holding cell for about an hour and then I went home.”
She said she did get a “picture” (assumingly a mugshot?) taken, and had to appear before a judge.
“During that time that I was in the cell for about an hour, they pulled me out of the cell to talk to a judge — not the cell, wherever they detain people. And then I believe they might have even put me back in until they released me to go home.”
She wasn’t handcuffed and went before the judge via a TV screen, due to COVID-19.
She said that her charges were dropped several months later, but she never had an arraignment in November as some articles stated.
On her feud with Jenelle Evans and how Cheetos are involved with it:
Kail refused to reveal how much she’s paid to appear on ‘Teen Mom 2, because she doesn’t want Briana to know. In fact, she says she’s not allowed to do so.
“I will be violating my contract by sharing this information with Briana,” she said.
After disclosing it off-record, Briana’s lawyer asks Kail if she has had trouble getting along with any of her other co-stars. Kail admits that she has had a feud with Jenelle Evans.
(The court reporter must not be a ‘Teen Mom 2’ fan because in the transcript, she refers to Jenelle as “Jamel,” which is kind of hysterical.)
“It’s hard to say what the dispute is. I’m not entirely sure how to describe the situation with [Jenelle]. I don’t even actually know what the problem is,” Kail said, adding that Jenelle has a problem with her, but she doesn’t have a problem with Jenelle.
She said that Jenelle got upset when she wasn’t asked to take pictures with Kail and other cast members.
“Chelsea [Houska] and I, another former cast member and I, supposedly left her out of a photo shoot when we, in fact, had no control over the photo shoot,” Kail said.
She added that Jenelle’s husband, David Eason, also contributes to her issues with Jenelle. She pointed to one snack-food-based incident that has stuck in her mind.
“Her husband has body shamed me. That’s really all I can think of right now…he told me to lay off the Cheetos,” Kail said, adding that Jenelle has also body-shamed her on social media.
On whether or not she abused her ex-husband Javi Marroquin, or stole from him as some have claimed:
They then discuss some articles about Javi and the accusations that he once broke into her house in 2017. The lawyers argue back and forth about the relevance of all this. They also discuss an article that claims that Javi said Kail stole property from him around this time.
Kail disputes this.
“I would say that I never stole from him and I can’t honestly say that I believe this is about me. It could very well have been about his second son’s mother [Lauren Comeau] who also filed a PFA against him. So, I can’t honestly say that this is about me,” she said.
Next, they discussed articles that discuss the incident on ‘Teen Mom 2’ in which Kail pushed Javi on-camera while they were still married in 2012. When Kail was asked if she ever hit Javi, she says, “I pushed him, yes.” However, she said the article’s claims that she hit Javi are false.
Bri’s lawyer asked Kail if she feels bad talking about what she did to Javi.
“I definitely regret my reaction to what I did to my ex-husband. I absolutely am remorseful. I have apologized both publicly and privately, so I think I’m am at a place where I can face the music and talk about it and I am okay…I absolutely should not have pushed him.”
Kail admitted that their divorce was so public because they both talked about their issues on social media. However, Kail insisted that it was not her decision to discuss these things online.
On finding out that Briana had gone online and accused her of beating Chris and breaking and entering:
They move on to Kail’s podcasts, and she mentions some of the times she’s talked about Briana on Coffee Convos. She says she mentioned that Briana sent her a body-shaming treadmill. She said she tries not to discuss her personal life on the podcasts, but that “if something is untrue, I will clarify on my podcast.”
Kail said that she sometimes uses her podcasts to dispute things that others say about her.
“I would say when Briana publicly accused me of felonies I did not commit, I definitely clarified that on the podcast,” Kail said.
Kail claimed that she had only learned that she was being accused of breaking and entering when she heard Briana say it.
“I thoroughly remember people writing, talking about how I allegedly broke into someone’s house and I had no idea what they were talking about. I mean, I knew what they were talking about based on what Briana posted, but that never happened, so I clarified [on my podcast].”
Kail stated that she thinks people believed what Bri was saying to be the truth.
Kail said that around June or July 2021, she heard Briana talking about her beating on Chris after getting mad about Lux’s haircut. (This was around the same time Kail was not on an episode of ‘Teen Mom 2,’ and no explanation was given to the viewers for her absence.)
“First, she claimed that somebody from production told her that I was not on the show because I refused to talk about my arrest and she also accused me of breaking and entering into Chris’ house and, again, the offensive touching. I believe she said that I hit him,” Kail said. “Then, the story changed to Chris told her that I broke and entered into the house and I assaulted him.
“She publicly accused me of breaking and entering. She also said that production told her that I was not on TV because I refused to film about the arrest and none of that is true…It’s not true that I was not on the show because of this arrest. It is not true that I broke and entered into Chris’ mom’s house. It’s not true that I assaulted Chris Lopez. It is not true that I committed these felonies and wasn’t on the show because of them.”
On Briana’s statements getting her fired from sponsorship deals and promos:
Kail said that what Briana said cost her sponsorship deals.
Kail claimed that, when she learned she had an arrest warrant against her, she called her ‘Teen Mom 2’ producers and informed them that she was going to turn herself in. She stated that, while the show’s producers didn’t care, some of the brands she was working with at the time did care about her arrest.
She confirmed that she was dropped by a few brands she had sponsorship deals with, including Hello Fresh.
“I thoroughly believe that Hello Fresh and at least one or two others dropped me because of [Briana’s] statements, yes,” Kail said.
Kail said there was a difference between the articles that came out about the incident and what Briana said. She claims the articles stated things as “allegedly” but Briana stated it as fact.
“Briana stated everything she said as fact. She stated I broke [into Chris’ mom’s house]– I don’t know where she got — I don’t even know how production or Chris, anybody would have told her that. She literally made it up,” Kail said.
“I want to be honest. I don’t know that [the reason I was dropped by the companies] was specifically for this arrest or if it was — like, when you are saying because of the arrest. It could have been the arrest. It could have been Briana accusing me of ·breaking and entering. I’m not sure,” Kail said.
Next, they talked about the reason Kail was actually not in the episode in question. (Briana claimed it was due to Kail not wanting to speak about the arrest.)
“I refused to film about a person that I was dating,” Kail said. “His name was Malik Montgomery.”
She said she didn’t want the relationship ruined by putting it on TV.
“I have had several relationships on the show fail and, also, just trolls becoming involved in my relationship has led me to not want to have any type of public relationship,” she said.
On what she claims actually happened on the day she found out Chris had cut Lux’s hair:
When asked if she did touch Chris that day, Kail stated, “I did not.” She says that Chris told the police she did, and that she believes Chris lied to the police about this.
“I believe Chris would do that because we had a very tumultuous relationship,” Kail said.
She says Chris has told a lot of lies about her in the past, including claiming that she cheated on him. She also claims that Chris has lied about whether or not Kail has given him money. He also said that I never gave him money, which I have.”
“He said that he — I am pretty sure at some point he actually even got on Instagram Live and said that I didn’t hit him after this police report came out, and I am sure someone can locate the footage of that,” she added.
Kail disputed again whether or not she was actually arrested, as articles claim.
”Arrest? I didn’t get handcuffed or anything, so does that count as an arrest?” she asked.
Briana’s lawyer told her that, “I don’t believe handcuffs are a necessary element in an arrest.”
She also disputed the claim that Chris’ sister had to “pull her off” of Chris.
“She never touched me, so that’s inaccurate,” Kail said.
She confirmed though, that she was taken into police custody for offensive touching, and that she was released without bail.
“I never talked to the police,” she said. “The only time that I really dealt with anybody involved with this was when they called me to tell me there was an arrest warrant. So I’m not entirely sure. I just know the arrest warrant was issued three weeks after the alleged incident and everything was dropped for lack of evidence and lack of proof.”
Next, they brought up a few articles (including one of The Ashley’s) and asked Kail if she feels these sites are reliable. She said she doesn’t know if sites like The Ashley or Radar Online are reliable, but feels like Fox News would be more-reliable. She calls The Ashley’s article about the incident “pretty accurate,” but says the things Chris accuses her of in the article are untrue.
He asks if an article from the clickbait site Champion Daily is accurate. The article states that Kail was arrested for punching Chris.
“I didn’t punch him, I was arrested, yes,” Kail replied.
Regarding yet another article about the same topic, Kail read it over and said, “I was arrested for allegedly punching Chris. Yes. Chris reported the domestic incident on the day of the offense, but police didn’t contact him back until September 25th I don’t know when the police contacted him.”
Briana’s lawyer asked Kail to rank how mad she was about Lux’s haircut, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the maddest.
“Probably a 10,” Kail said.
Kail said that her nanny, Natalie Napp, was present for the altercation. She stated that Natalie was in Chris’ mom’s house that day when this all went down. (Chris had told police that Natalie was in the car at the time of the incident.)
Kail said on the day in question, Chris’ mom let her into the house to pick up Lux. She got him, and once they were in the car, Kail realized that Lux’s hair was cut. From there, Kail says she got out of the car, walked back to the house and Chris’ mom let her in the sliding glass door so she could speak to Chris.
“I told him that he didn’t really have a right to do that. And I told him I was not happy with it, it was not okay,” Kail said. “He couldn’t even take him to a proper barbershop or like a hair stylist and I left. I mean, Natalie was right there and that was that. I just told him how I felt about the haircut and walked out.”
She claimed that no one asked her to leave and that she left on her own.
On why Kail filed a Protection From Abuse (PFA) on Chris previously:
Next, they talk about the Protection of Abuse (PFA) Kail had on Chris at the time of the incident.
“Chris almost killed me in October of 2019,” Kail stated. (This would have been around the same time Kail became pregnant with their son, Creed, by the way.)
The next few lines— regarding that incident— are redacted from public view.
Later in the deposition, though, she does confirm that Chris was charged with a crime for what he did, and that he spent time in jail for it. She also said he confessed to the crime.
On what Kail considers to be domestic violence:
Kail went on to dispute any articles that claim she was arrested for domestic violence. She said she was actually charged with ‘offensive touching’ and never ‘domestic violence.’
“I would describe it as lies… I didn’t offensively touch him or put my hands on him. I wouldn’t call it a domestic incident, because it didn’t occur,” Kail said.
Later in the deposition, Kail stated, “I believe that ‘offensive touching’ is essentially like a disorder, maybe like a disorderly conduct unfairly or I think ‘offensive touching’ is probably something from pushing or shoving all the way to…I don’t know. I am clearly not an expert. I explained what I thought it was.”
On what Chris is like as a parent and a person in general:
When they came to the topic of Chris, Kail said she believes Chris “has narcissistic tendencies and narcissistic behaviors.”
“He parents for himself, not for his children,” Kail said of Chris. “He sees his children as objects and pawns and a way to control me. He is very manipulative. He is abusive. He is self-centered and he will do whatever it takes to have his own way.”
She said this includes lying to the police if necessary.
“I don’t think he has a conscience,” she added.
On why Kail calls herself a villain in the trailer for her Barely Famous podcast:
Kail then spoke about the trolls who hate her due to seeing her on ‘Teen Mom 2.’ She went on to talk about the trolls in length. As for Briana, Kail said, “she is the biggest troll.”
“I feel like I have been villainized over the years just over the show,” she said. “So, I use it in my trailer [for the podcast] … I’m just going off what the trolls say. It was supposed to be funny. People that follow ‘Teen Mom’ would understand what I meant. It’s not for people who don’t watch the show. It was more so meant for the trolls that follow.”
“I said that the trolls, people who are dedicated to hate me– kind of like Briana– would refer to me as the problem. They would refer to me as a villain. They villainized me. It’s easy to — I would say that it’s easy to blame me so I just go off — it’s a joke. When I say ‘your favorite villain.’ It is a joke to the people who watch the show who understand there have definitely been times that I have been villainized.”